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Driver Responsibility Tax Surprises Out of State Motorist
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/09/971.asp ^ | 2/21/2006

Posted on 02/21/2006 7:31:59 AM PST by getsoutalive

New laws allow some states to tax drivers annually -- even if they live in another state -- simply because they received a speeding ticket. One Connecticut motorist, who asked that his name not be used, discovered this after driving in October in Niagara Falls, New York. Despite being caught in what he considered a brazen speed trap -- the speed limit was 45 MPH where he was caught, but 55 MPH at the same location in the opposite direction -- he accepted the $155 fine for driving 72 MPH thinking by paying the matter would be settled.

Last week, however, the state of New York notified him that it now considers him an "at risk" driver and therefore he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: michigan
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To: getsoutalive

How can you be subject to the jurisdiction of a state you don't live in and aren't in?

Isn't this additional punishment without due process?


61 posted on 02/21/2006 8:42:09 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: metmom

"It gives new meaning to the term *highway robbery*. Thank you NYS. And polititions can't figure out why people are leaving or not moving here. They're just shooting themselves in the foot with their outrageous legislation. I want out of here sooooo bad."

Head out to AZ and help balance the incoming 'rats from Cali!


62 posted on 02/21/2006 8:43:12 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Old Professer
Any time you get a speeding ticket where you have reason to believe that the posted limit is below a safe speed you should ask the officer and the court if they can provide you with a copy or a reading of the last official traffic survey on that stretch of highway that supports the lower speed as necessary

And what good would that do? It seems to me that a jurisdiction can set the speed limit on any particular stretch of roadaslow as they wish...as long as that limit is clearly marked or is clearly set out in state law (e.g. 30 MPH speed limit in all "built-up areas").

63 posted on 02/21/2006 8:44:02 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: CitadelArmyJag
Seems like it to me. How can NY tax somebody in Ct?

My business used to be in Connecticut.

I had to collect sales tax for Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New York for anything I sold to my cusotmers in those states. And if I was a little slow, like 2-4 days in sending in my reports, they got REALLY upset.

Moved to Florida and still sell to those customers but no longer collect any taxes.

64 posted on 02/21/2006 8:44:48 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: getsoutalive; All
Be sure to check out the Speed Trap Exchange.
65 posted on 02/21/2006 8:45:48 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: getsoutalive

Can't we just declare war on New York state, invade it, take it over, and start all over again?


66 posted on 02/21/2006 8:46:38 AM PST by D-Chivas
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To: D-Chivas
Can't we just declare war on New York state, invade it, take it over, and start all over again?

OH PLEASE, could you? You can push NYC out to sea and pull the plug and then have the first causalty-less war. The libs, who would be the most likely to object, have conveniently disarmed themselves already.

67 posted on 02/21/2006 8:51:40 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: getsoutalive

sounds like it would make good toilet paper



(dont forget to use the envelope to send it back too)


68 posted on 02/21/2006 8:54:14 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Polyxene
the state that spawned Upchuck Schumer and the Heinous Harridan

Now, that's not entirely fair.

Yes, Chuckie is a local boy, but ThatWoman(D-NY) never lived here until she decided to appoint herself Junior Senator.

69 posted on 02/21/2006 8:55:28 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Old Professer
As another poster stated, this deserves a test case.

I would be very interested in the outcome of such a test case.........I just don't want to be the test :)

70 posted on 02/21/2006 8:58:54 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: dpa5923

Unless they do the same to the in state drivers this will
not stand due to the "equal protection clause" of the constitution.


71 posted on 02/21/2006 9:04:47 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: getsoutalive

Robber Barons


72 posted on 02/21/2006 9:07:32 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: Fresh Wind

i've been pulled over a dozen times for speeding (most on I40)recieved two tickets and ten warnings. the two tickets i was doing 80 in a 55 (it was 65 outside of town) they wrote me up for 72 each time. can't be a coincidence. went to class to get tickets erased the stories the others told and problems people create by being rude or doing 70 in a 25 school zone construction zone. i was the only one who got the speed reduced. a bunch ended up with other offenses. the other 10 i was doing 65 in 55. Had the cruise set each time. What's my secret ... pullover immediately, put flashers on, turn off motor, leave hands on the wheel until he tells you otherwise, give the officer room to stand safely next to your vehicle, be polite, have your license, insurance, and registration, admit that you were speeding, and say sorry. the last couple warnings I've even asked the officer if he was sure. worked for me. oh and i'm a guy.


73 posted on 02/21/2006 9:13:49 AM PST by Omglol
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To: getsoutalive

Unfreakingbelievable.

It's time for the pitchforks.


74 posted on 02/21/2006 9:14:59 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: dpa5923

Although I can see the arguments for and against this policy, this even if they live in another state is unacceptable. What right or power can the state of New York have to tax a driver in say Missouri or Nevada.""

This is blatantly taxation without representation. A court challenge should get rid of it and stop others in their tracks.


75 posted on 02/21/2006 9:15:36 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: getsoutalive
This guy is a dummass.

72 in a 45 and he doesn't lawyer up?

I swear, Yankees have no common sense.

76 posted on 02/21/2006 9:16:55 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Pessimist
You neglect to consider that New York and Connecticut have a reciprocity agreement with regard to Driving. I get a speeder in CT it goes on my NY license. So either he pays the fee or CT will suspend his license for being a scofflaw
77 posted on 02/21/2006 9:17:38 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: getsoutalive

Any way to squeeze more money out of taxpayers...


78 posted on 02/21/2006 9:18:39 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Tokra

Kind of like this - Ohio has a law that says vehicles must have a license plate on the front and back of the vehicle. Michigan only gives us one plate for the back. Several years ago I got pulled over in Ohio and was given a ticket for not having a plate on the front of my car. When I argued that I couldn't possibly have a second plate because Michigan didn't issue them, I was told "Too bad - we do"!""

Please tell us that you fought this and that legislatures in those 2 states have gotten the message.
I cannot create a second license plate if my state doesn't issue one- that would be forgery, wouldn't it?

This is just plain stupid. Is this the best that our politicians can do???


79 posted on 02/21/2006 9:20:10 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: getsoutalive
Last week, however, the state of New York notified him that it now considers him an "at risk" driver and therefore he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300.

And if he doesn't pay? Then what? The most they could do is suspend his right to drive in NY.

Which, to me, sounds like a win-win scenario.

80 posted on 02/21/2006 9:22:40 AM PST by Lazamataz (Islam is a fatal disease that must be eradicated from the body Earth.)
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