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'Raving About Jihad Is Simply Un-Australian'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-21-2006 | Mark Chipperfield

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:30:14 PM PST by blam

'Raving about jihad is simply un-Australian'

By Mark Chipperfield in Sydney
(Filed: 21/02/2006)

The Australian prime minister, John Howard, criticised the minority of Muslims in the country who "rave on about jihad" and hold "extreme attitudes" towards women, saying they do not fit into Australian society.

Mr Howard told the authors of a book celebrating his 10 years in power that Muslims who support a jihad, or holy war, against the West could not easily be absorbed into mainstream Australia.

Adamant: John Howard

Sections of the book, entitled The Howard Factor, were leaked by The Australian newspaper.

Muslim leaders accused him of "pandering to Islamophobia" but Mr Howard said he stood by his remarks and reiterated them at length in numerous radio and television interviews.

"You can't find any equivalent in Italian or Greek or Lebanese or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem," he said.

"It is not a problem that we've ever faced with other immigrant communities, who become easily absorbed by Australia's mainstream."

Mr Howard said he was not talking about the vast majority of law-abiding Australian Muslims, but a jihadist minority which he said was "utterly antagonistic" to a modern, pluralist, multi-faith society, such as Australia.

"There is really not much point in pretending it doesn't exist," he said.

Since the Second World War Australia has welcomed millions of migrants from many parts of the world, especially southern Europe and Asia, but Mr Howard said the country had never had to deal with migrants who wanted to overturn its core values and beliefs. Australia's Islamic community numbers around 300,000 out of a population of around 20 million.

A total of 24 Muslim men have been charged in Australia under anti-terrorism legislation introduced after the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

"We want people when they come to Australia to adopt Australian ways," he said. "We don't ask them to forget the countries of their birth, we respect all religious points of views and people are entitled to practise them.

"But there are certainly things that are not part of the Australian mainstream."

A vocal supporter of American intervention in both Iraq and Afghanistan - Australian troops are serving in both conflicts - Mr Howard said he was also concerned about Islamic attitudes to women, which he said were "a problem".

"For all the conservatism towards women and so forth within some of the Mediterranean cultures, it's as nothing compared with some of the more extreme attitudes [among Muslims]."

His comments attracted intense criticism from Islamic leaders, who said that Mr Howard was either misinformed or deliberately trying to exploit negative attitudes towards Muslim people living in Australia.

They accused him of trying to make political capital from the race riots which erupted in the Sydney beachside suburb of Cronulla in December, adding that he misunderstood the term jihad.

The president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Ameer Ali, said the Muslims referred to by Mr Howard represented only a "tiny fraction" of the community. "There is also a tiny fraction of Australians who believe in white supremacy," he said.

A spokesman for the Islamic Council of New South Wales, Ali Roude, said the remarks were "offensive and ignorant" while the Islamic Friendship Association said the prime minister was "unfortunately playing on pre-existing Islamophobia."

Despite its tough stand on immigration, the Howard government has largely continued the immigration policies of the previous Labour administration.

Figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that the percentage of European migrants coming to Australia has now fallen to under 50 per cent, for the first time since the First Fleet arrived in Port Jackson, modern day Sydney, in 1788.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: about; jihad; johnhoward; muslims; raving; simply; unaustralian

1 posted on 02/20/2006 5:30:16 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Another source puts it like this...

"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off ," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

2 posted on 02/20/2006 5:41:10 PM PST by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn

Stop Jihad Now!


3 posted on 02/20/2006 5:42:36 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: blam

I would be very pleased to hear an American pol say, "Raving about jihad is simply un-American."

I'm not holding my breath.


4 posted on 02/20/2006 5:45:36 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: blam
Imaginary phone call from President Bush to Prime Minister Howard: "You mean it's not The Religion of Peace?"
5 posted on 02/20/2006 5:46:44 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: BigFinn

As Gingrich (and I was never a Gingrich fan but he grew on me) just said:

"How is it that these extremist islamic nations expect tolerance for their prophet, but their own countries do not tolerate christians/jews/catholics in their own country? Where do they get off telling the western civilized nations how to run their cultures?" or words to that effect. Man, he is so right.


6 posted on 02/20/2006 5:49:42 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when")
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To: blam
"It is not a problem that we've ever faced with other immigrant communities, who become easily absorbed by Australia's mainstream."

Precisely the problem all the countries that have allowed immigration of Muslims face. Muslims will not assimilate, Muslims want the economic advantages of their adopted countries but not that countries culture. The only ones who can solve this dilemma are the Muslims themselves.

7 posted on 02/20/2006 5:51:18 PM PST by BIGZ
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To: blam; Aussie Dasher; All

OH AUSSIE DASHERRR UK Telegraph is tick off with your PM John Howard LOL!


8 posted on 02/20/2006 5:58:59 PM PST by SevenofNine (I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy)
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To: blam

finally, a pol who doesn't subscribe to the fallacy of absolute moral relativity.


9 posted on 02/20/2006 6:19:48 PM PST by stormlead
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To: blam
"You can't find any equivalent in Italian or Greek or Lebanese or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem," he said.

"It is not a problem that we've ever faced with other immigrant communities, who become easily absorbed by Australia's mainstream."

Bingo! Needed to be said!

10 posted on 02/20/2006 6:28:11 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: SevenofNine

Who gives an airborne rodent's rump about what the Poms think???!!!!


11 posted on 02/20/2006 6:42:57 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher; All

Well you know what John Howard making good point here there are some good Muslums to me there are alot don't want assilatnte in Aussie Brit and American society this what he saying to Muslum cleric who preaching Hate PM Howard tell them HARD truth they can't handle the truth LOL!


12 posted on 02/20/2006 6:54:20 PM PST by SevenofNine (I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy)
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To: blam

Thank God someone is plain speaking about the overall problem.


13 posted on 02/20/2006 7:09:04 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: blam
>"We don't ask them to forget the countries of their birth, we respect all religious points of views and people are entitled to practise them."

What IF their religion commanded them to commit MURDER?????

Sura 9:5 of the “Koran,” “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

Is this "religion" worthy of respect???? Are they allowed to practice it?????

14 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:08 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back" -Homers guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: rawcatslyentist
They had a story about a Muslim school in yesterday's Chicago Tribune that was on FR for a few minutes and it got pulled.

There are four Islamic high schools in Chicago and one is dominating the other three in girls basketball. The Muslim girls from the good team want to play public and non-Muslim private schools. Public and private schools won't play them because they would have to conform to Muzzie rules (what's new). It would have to be a closed game, no males, even dads.

Think of the great promotions - beheadings and honor killings at half-time, amputations between quarters. Of course, infidels who aren't beheaded have to clean up. Imagine the Muslim outrage when the St. Rose Infidels beat the Islamic Beheaders 88-4. The cartoon violence would be nothing compared to this.
15 posted on 02/20/2006 8:28:50 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221
Think of the great promotions - beheadings and honor killings at half-time, amputations between quarters. Of course, infidels who aren't beheaded have to clean up. Imagine the Muslim outrage when the St. Rose Infidels beat the Islamic Beheaders 88-4. The cartoon violence would be nothing compared to this.

BAWHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

16 posted on 02/20/2006 8:34:05 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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