Posted on 02/20/2006 8:24:23 AM PST by avg_freeper
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ORLANDO, Fla., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin's Central Florida businesses will support local activities to promote math and science education for students during National Engineers Week, February 19-25. Through fun hands-on activities, students will learn about engineering and engineering careers.General Dynamics Hosts Student Events for National Engineers Weekexcerpt...
ARLINGTON, Va., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD - News), is sponsoring events nationwide during National Engineers Week beginning Feb. 20, 2006.excerpt...
Actually, that is the top end, or close to it. We were talking about an Engineering Ph.D. with 10+ years of experience and a good track record.
Compare/contrast with an MBA as middle management, $130k, or senior management, $150k. Executive, over $200k.
I need to see the hard numbers. If you have a link, or if it was posted above and I missed it, please direct me.
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I visit plants everyday with lots of engineers working hard at all sorts of tasks to get the work done.
The american IT engineers might be in trouble, but they are like railroad designers...... their day might be over.progress
There always will be work for engineers.
Then do some research. My numbers come from personal experience.
Care to chime in on this one?
There's your problem, then.
Have you considered defense industry work? If you can get into an R&D group, the technology will likely be cutting edge and all the burdensome DOD program requirements are reduced or eliminated. Also, there are lots of folks in their 40s/50s/60s still working as individual contributors here (Northrop Grumman).
Not sure what you mean by this. Those are the numbers out of the most recent salary surveys I've seen. Not online, as we had to p-a-y for those surveys.
You have made it impossible to disprove your claim. That is a problem.
Did you try to do some salary survey research online? No? We're talking simple burden-of-proof here. Do you have any reasonably credible information which contradicts? I've given my numbers, had at least some of them verified independently by a recruiter in this thread. Now, exactly which number/numbers are you calling into question?
Have applied for positions at Lockheed, Raytheon, LLNL. Except for the latter, I've never seen research positions open up.
I have been with my particular agency for 25 years and we have yet to lay people off. We have had cutbacks but we solved those with voluntary buyouts and normal attrition. During the Clinton administration we hired almost no one (he didn't like us) and now we are paying catchup in a huge way.
Every single one, for starters. Genius.
Then I'm sure that you'll be happy to meet your burden of proof.
Don't dare to speak of burdens of proof, when all you have offered to this point is anecdotal evidence. I am under no obligation to hold myself to a higher standard.
YIKES!
At first glance, I thought you said engineers can't find b-low jobs.....
Not for free.
But logic demands that, in the absence of contradictary evidence, that which is available prevails. To say otherwise is purely prejudicial.
You've already lost the argument, but I enjoy sandbagging as much as the next guy. The EE Times 2004 Survey found the average salary for a Ph.D. in engineering to be $119,000; however this includes those in "engineering managment", which is a different career path. Note the salaries for VP of Engineering ($131,000) are in line with what previously posted for senior management. Some of the figures in the survey, however, include cost of benefits in compensation, which tends to inflate them.
The biggest hit in income for Engineers in recent years has been the decline in incentive compensation: stock options and bonuses have both gone the way of Sarbanes-Oxley.
To save your poor tired fingers the effort, here's the relevant hyperlink:
EE Times 2004 Salary and Job Survey
Thus your implication that asking for $120k is "too much" would appear to mistaken.
Oh, ok then.
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