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Congress Mixed About Bush's Line-Item Veto Request
Associated Press ^ | February 20, 2006

Posted on 02/20/2006 8:03:09 AM PST by RWR8189

WASHINGTON — 's request for broad, and constitutionally questionable, authority to control spending by vetoing specific items in larger bills is drawing limited interest in Congress.

Even though he has yet to issue a single veto in his five years in office, Bush asked Congress in his State of the Union address to give him power. He said it and a movement to curb lawmakers' appetite for special projects, or earmarks, would provide a one-two punch in reducing government spending.

"We can tackle this problem together, if you pass the line-item veto," he said.

White House budget director Joshua Bolten said the two approaches "go very much hand-in-hand" in weeding out thousands of narrowly targeted projects that lawmakers secure by sticking them in larger, must-pass spending bills.

Bush is the latest in a long line of presidents, both Republican and Democrat, to seek the power to eliminate a single item in a spending or tax bill without killing the entire measure.

President Clinton got that wish in 1996, when the new reform-minded Republican majority in the House helped pass a line-item veto law. Clinton used that power 82 times in 1997, and even with Congress overriding his veto 38 times, it saved the government almost $2 billion.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; 109thcongress; 2006agenda; bush43; lineitem; lineitemveto; veto
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1 posted on 02/20/2006 8:03:11 AM PST by RWR8189
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WTF does he need it for he doesn't veto anyways? I know, he'll veto out anything in any bill dealing with getting tougher on illegals or businesses that hire them.


2 posted on 02/20/2006 8:04:44 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: trubluolyguy

You're such a tool.

No need for a line item veto, because he never veto's entire bills?

Think please...


3 posted on 02/20/2006 8:07:23 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: RWR8189

Clinton really screwed us on this one.

Imagine what it would be like now if Ronald Reagan would have had the Line Item Veto.

TT


4 posted on 02/20/2006 8:09:31 AM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Well you tell me, which spending increase has he Vetoe'd?


I'll nap while you find that one.


5 posted on 02/20/2006 8:09:42 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: RWR8189

The SCOTUS ruled after congress gave clinton a line item veto (that he used exclusively to veto tax breaks -- never once to veto a spending item) that the Constitution did not allow for a line item veto. Therefore, it would take more than Congress to approve a line item veto; it would take two-thirds of both houses of congress and then ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states.


6 posted on 02/20/2006 8:10:56 AM PST by VRWCmember (You are STILL safer hunting with Dick Cheney than riding in a car with Ted Kennedy!)
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To: TexasTransplant

Clinton to his credit signed the Line-Item Veto into law.

It was struck down by the SCOTUS shortly after.


7 posted on 02/20/2006 8:11:06 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: trubluolyguy

I think the point was that to extrapolate that because Bush has not vetoed an entire bill (the only way he can veto) he would not use a line item veto to strike objectionable spending out of a bill is an assumption that is not warranted.


8 posted on 02/20/2006 8:13:28 AM PST by VRWCmember (You are STILL safer hunting with Dick Cheney than riding in a car with Ted Kennedy!)
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To: trubluolyguy
Well you tell me, which spending increase has he Vetoe'd?

A President would have to be an idiot to veto a budget that includes finding for troops in the field under his command.

9 posted on 02/20/2006 8:14:03 AM PST by rhombus
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To: RWR8189

Can you imagine a democrat congress giving Reagan line item veto power? Not in a million years. And the only way this would ever get anywhere is if the GOP had over a two-thirds majority in both houses. Even then, it wouldn't pass because there are enough RINOs that would never agree to allow something that might upset their earmarking pork gravy train. There is not enough of a popular push for the line item veto now like there was in 1994-95.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 8:16:13 AM PST by VRWCmember (You are STILL safer hunting with Dick Cheney than riding in a car with Ted Kennedy!)
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To: FreedomNeocon; trubluolyguy
The line-item veto is nothing more than an election year gimmick--and we would all do well to oppose anything that makes it easier for Washington to pass legislation.


11 posted on 02/20/2006 8:17:07 AM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: trubluolyguy
Reps. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., Mark Udall, D-Colo., and Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., have a bill under which the president would send to Congress, in the form of legislation, a list of projects he believes should not be funded.

Congress would then be required to vote within 15 days, by a simple majority rather than the two-thirds needed to override a veto, on whether to keep the project alive.

It "allows the president to shine the light of day on specific item in federal spending," Musgrave said. "The climate is right for it."

This is a rather good idea. Another one I thought of: Pass a law allowing the President to "line item" veto any "earmarked" piece of spending--something not specifically voted on by the Congress. Now, this might result in the President nitpicking against his political enemies, but it also could allow him to weed out all sorts of garbage, the kind like Pork King Robert Byrd (Klansman) infuses into every bill.

12 posted on 02/20/2006 8:19:03 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: All
Scalia's dissent in the Clinton v. City of New York is an interesting read.
13 posted on 02/20/2006 8:22:34 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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SSSoooooo, we're going to ask congress, the body which inserts the pork barrel spending in the first place, to allow the president to veto discreectionery pork barrel spending from any bill? What a concept-good luck!!!!


14 posted on 02/20/2006 8:40:08 AM PST by hondo1951 (i live in happy valley, but i'm not happy)
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To: RWR8189

Why not do the radical thing, and just veto the entire appropriation for the Departments of Agriculture, Education, Energy, Commerce, and Labor, along with funding for the EPA and the rest of the New Deal Alphabet Soup?

Do these Departments and Agencies actually do anything that is even remotely Constitutional?


16 posted on 02/20/2006 8:52:48 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: RWR8189

Based on how this tool was used by former Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson, we do NOT want the president to have this power. Tommy used it to strike out individual words and even letters. In at least one case, it turned a LOAN to the state into a GRANT. (IIRC, it was from the Counties and Municipalities' Self-Insurance fund) Once it was publicized, it was overturned by the Legislature.


17 posted on 02/20/2006 8:59:23 AM PST by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Because Congress would override an outride veto of such an appropriation very easily.

Just like when Reagan vetoed the Highway Bill.


18 posted on 02/20/2006 9:03:26 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: trubluolyguy
I know, he'll veto out anything in any bill dealing with getting tougher on illegals or businesses that hire them.

Bingo. More to the point, he'll use the line-item veto to try to overcome one of the most severe cases of lame duck in the history of his office. The Congress that convenes in 2007 will be hard-pressed even to remember the name of who sits in the Oval Office. Count on it.

19 posted on 02/20/2006 9:45:21 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: RWR8189

Line item veto presents real constitutional separation of powers issues.


20 posted on 02/20/2006 11:35:47 AM PST by middie (ath.)
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