Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
We place such a high value on freedom of thought and belief that we are reluctant to impose restrictions on anyone in the practice of religion, even when those religions prod their adherents to deny others of their own right to believe or to not believe.
Couple Islamic zeal in the pursuit of subjugating the world for Allah with the exceptionally high birth rates of Muslims and you get a worldwide disaster in the making. The fact that most Muslims never take up a cudgel against the infidel does not diminish the threat. Even if the silent Muslim majority does nothing more than aggressively increase the population of Muslims in the western countries where they live, their sheer numbers bolster the strength and bargaining position of the radical Muslims who are only too keen to seize leadership roles.
This is serious problem, and it needs to be looked at that way.
Along that line, whether islam is outlawed or not, or whether is koran is banned (or whether the parts of the koran which call for violence are deleted)...islam at the very least needs to be subjected to the full force of freedom of speech. The truth about islam needs to see the light of day and muslims need to feel free to leave that "religion" without fear of bodily harm.
I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution.
"It's also said about postal workers, serial killers, doctors...."
Yeah, but then again, the groups you mention don't cell up with the goal of murdering thousands in one fell swoop.
"What I do know is that no armed killers will come into my neighborhood unchallenged. It is not going to happen...."
First, if your actions are as bold as your words, then you are in a honorable minority. Under normal circumstances I would say I admire your position and back you 100%.
Your position for a islamic is misplaced I would argue. Their very religion calls for your and your family's conversion or death....that much is clear from their 'holy' book and history. You have absolutely NO idea what is the heart of your neighbor. Absolutely none. History, their scripture and polls show the majority of religious and moderate muslimes would rather see your blood run in the gutter and piss on it that to have their society dominated by yours. Fight for them if you will, but chances are, unless they are non-practising, heretical muslimes, they will be more than happy to literally stab you in the back.
Thoughtful post...proves that cool heads (and deep minds) can prevail...without giving away the farm to those that want us dead.
Ah....buddies to the end.
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If Americans want to protect a death-cult that calls itself a religion, a cult that openly states its objectives of world domination, of taking over your nation, of destroying your Constitution, of wanting to fly the black flag of islam from the White House, of its intention to implement sharia law -
If this is what your CONSTITUTION leads you towards, your own innihilation, I suggest doing whatever it takes, (a referendum?) for an amendement to identify islam for what it is.
IT'S NOT A RELIGION.
Finding the right name for it won't be difficult, not if they carry out their threat to kill even more people in the next attack than they did on 9/ll.
But sometimes you can be dead right.
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If this is what your CONSTITUTION leads you towards, your own innihilation, I suggest doing whatever it takes, (a referendum?) for an amendement to identify islam for what it is.
Thanks, Freddie. I think the apologists for muslims don't realize that many here see muslims as the first victims of islam.
I suggest the first line of defense is the vigorous use of free speech to expose islam for the cult it is. Then, if that fails, we come up with a plan B. Sounds like the "Wily Coyote" strategy...too bad the enemy is more deadly than a road runner.
Please ignore 690.... parody and my slowness of cognitive ability...
lol...
Tough thing...being human! Being big enough to admit a foible...courageous!
Launch a pre-emptive strike against Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia. Do it now. Turn them to molten glass. Then let's see what the rest of them have to say!
Sadly, it does not surprise me one bit.
See post 643.
I'm speaking from my own experience.
Honestly, more harm has come to me at the hand of CINO's than Muslims.
So using your logic.......think about it.
Wow, that really helps hone the discussion!
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