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'First' Suburbs Growing Older and Poorer, Report Warns
New York Times ^ | February 16, 2006 | Bruce Lambert

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:19:12 AM PST by Clemenza

Half a century ago, millions of young white couples left America's central cities for greener places to build homes and rear families. Their move created booming commuter communities and a new way of life.

But that idealized picture has been transformed and the future of those pioneering suburbs is in jeopardy, according to a study issued yesterday by the Brookings Institution, a research group in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: longisland; suburbia
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To: DugwayDuke

f you see some of these animals, it is definately not civilization.

I always say that there are more wild animals outside the Bronx Zoo than in it.


61 posted on 02/20/2006 6:23:11 AM PST by chris1
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To: Clemenza

I'd rather still spend the gas money and live in a quiet suburban neighborhood anyway (all else being equal).


62 posted on 02/20/2006 6:23:27 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: chris1
I'm surprised at you!

Parkchester. Near the crappy movie theatre. Macy's opened that store in the 1920s, when New York Life built the original Park Chester development. The New Rochelle store opened a few years later, right before the Crash.

63 posted on 02/20/2006 6:24:12 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: RockinRight
Can't stand driving and cookie cutter houses. Too each his or her own.

I imagine that the house I grew up in, which sold last year for $530,000 (three bedroom, 1 1/2 bathroom 1952 Colonial) would sell for $78,000 in Akron.

64 posted on 02/20/2006 6:26:28 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Clemenza

I am only 30 y/o.

There was a lot of crime in the New Rochelle mall. I won't say what I want to say, but you know what I mean.


65 posted on 02/20/2006 6:27:29 AM PST by chris1
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To: Clemenza

Its insane. Dumps go for 600k in Yonkers. Imagine that crap?

The schools are so bad your kid needs a black belt and stiletto just to survive in there.

I have another friend who is a teacher in Gorton HS. What he tells me is just insane. 13 y/o giving BJ's in class, kids pissing on cop cars, etc etc.


66 posted on 02/20/2006 6:29:11 AM PST by chris1
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To: Clemenza
It's an interesting hodge-podge of a building.

Those 4 over 4 windows are probably circa 1910-20 (I went and looked them up) so the dormers are original (which kinda scotches the idea that the garage is an addition - they never could have matched the windows). Do you recall if the dormers were there when you were a child?

I still don't understand why no chimneys and the integral two-car garage. I can't think of a house before the 1950s with a garage -- that was a "waste" of heated space. The garage was a single bay separate building - we have plenty of examples here locally from the 1920s.

67 posted on 02/20/2006 6:36:29 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Clemenza

Looks to me like Liberals are gearing up for their planned community reconstructions by naming the inner subrubs as blight in need of centralized planning's rejuvination. They call it "sustainable communities."

The other thing that is comming - with this flood of immigrants - "doing the work Americans won't do" - we are going to see liberals race-bait differences in income levels between whites and Hispanics. They will use the poverty of illegal immigrants (folks who send a lot of their money to their homelands and work in low paying jobs) to justify affirmative action (discrimination) in middle income jobs.

This immigration wave is going to be hugely disruptive and expensive to middle class Americans. Expect to see more studies out of liberal think tanks calling for liberal action in Hispanic immigrant flooded areas.


68 posted on 02/20/2006 6:41:43 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Clemenza

Depends. In the city, yeah. In the suburbs, maybe $125k. And while salaries are generally somewhat lower here, I bet as far as purchasing power, you still get more house here. Houses here cost much less than a quarter what they are in NY (I assume you mean your hometown in NY), but salaries here are NOT only one-third what they are there.

Not all suburbs are cookie-cutter houses. Yeah, all the McMansions in the subdivisions are pretty boring, but in older suburban areas you find more variety.

Drive down any city street built in the 1920s...and you see cookie-cutter homes there, too!


69 posted on 02/20/2006 6:45:20 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: peyton randolph

I believe it. Crime has spiraled upwards ever since they introduced the Light Rail in Minneapolis. I was mugged in my own backyard in Dinkytown, which is supposed to be one of the safest areas in the city.


70 posted on 02/20/2006 6:46:32 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: RockinRight; Clemenza

err...I meant "but salaries here are NOT only one-quarter what they are there. " (I had typed one-third).


71 posted on 02/20/2006 6:46:54 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: chris1

Shortly after I moved to Minneapolis, the beggars and welfare bums started coming into my neighborhood in droves, always trying to take advantage of the compassion of U of M kids (why they don't bother the hippies in the Augsburg College area is beyond me). My standard response to them? "Go back to Chicago".


73 posted on 02/20/2006 6:52:03 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: RockinRight

I hear you. I'm still amazed at how much cheaper the rest of the country is compared to NY, or CA/WA/DC for that matter.


74 posted on 02/20/2006 6:52:06 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: RightWingAtheist
You learn to ignore them. Even the Granola Citizenry of Seattle does.

Only gullible tourists from the South tend to give to panhandlers. At least I find that to be the case in NY or Chicago (where I went to Grad school).

75 posted on 02/20/2006 6:54:46 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Clemenza
Texas, on the other hand, is a place where you can get a mansion for $300K and there are no zoning laws to worry about. I've never seen cheaper housing in my life.

Yep. We found a 1974, 2050 square-foot ranch style on 4 acres for $115,000.

The only deed restriction we have is that you can't have more than 1 dwelling per every 2 acres.

Another up side is we're just 6 miles fro the boat launch on Lake Travis.

The down side is that the house WAS built in the '70's.
(Avocado green and harvest gold....what WERE they thinking?)

LOL

76 posted on 02/20/2006 6:55:24 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: DugwayDuke

*bites lip* Must...not...post...Alabama fan...jokes. :P


77 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:41 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: chris1

Now tell us what do you really think! :)

(dittoes to your sentiments about snobs)


78 posted on 02/20/2006 7:27:06 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

*bites lip* Must...not...post...Alabama fan...jokes. :P

Be my guest. I'm from Oklahoma and I love Alabama/Auburn jokes.


80 posted on 02/20/2006 7:31:21 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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