Posted on 02/20/2006 12:01:38 AM PST by minus_273
ST. LOUIS - The first humans to spread across North America may have been seal hunters from France and Spain.
This runs counter to the long-held belief that the first human entry into the Americas was a crossing of a land-ice bridge that spanned the Bering Strait about 13,500 years ago.
The new thinking was outlined here Sunday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Recent studies have suggested that the glaciers that helped form the bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska began receding around 17,000 to 13,000 years ago, leaving very little chance that people walked from one continent to the other.
Also, when archaeologist Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution places American spearheads, called Clovis points, side-by-side with Siberian points, he sees a divergence of many characteristics.
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My thoughts too. Maybe from the same group as Kennewick Man.
I read something of that nature. I would not be surprised if early Americans bought camels and horses to Asia and Europe. American Indian gene has been found in Europe and Asia. Some American Indians have genes similar to Basques, Celts, and Berbers, among them Mapuche, Inca, and Mayans. The Anasazi have some relics that look Celtic like.
That is not really far from where Kennewick Man was found. I know Indians have legends of White people amongst them. I would not be too surprised if they were here for a long time. I have read Polynesians had red and blonde hair.
Prince Madoc supposedly arrived in America around 562 AD. It would not surprise me if some Indians took them in. I have read of Welsh settlements in what is now Louisville and Ohio River Valley. There is suppose to be an Irish tribe in America that got marooned around the 8th century living in what is now Tennessee and Carolinas.
Thomas Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark on their expeditions to the western US and I've read that Jefferson stopped them when they began to describe the Mandans. He said, "I don't want to hear any stories about blue-eyed Indians." The writer of the article speculated that Jefferson feared that another European power may try to lay claim to that area in the US based on these stories about European 'looking' people. Some even said they spoke Welsh.
We have a commerative plaque here at the mouth of Mobile Bay (Fort Morgan) lauding the landing of Prince Madoc here in 1170AD.
See the link in post #85. They say 562AD too.
They certainly knew all about the Spanish, who enslaved them as free labor until they kidnapped or killed off the closest ones, the ones who were easiest to catch.
But don't forget that the Indian tribes were kidnapping and enslaving each other as well.
I caught part of it the other night. I was surprised that something like that would get any airtime. Indians are a powerful lobbying group in the US and are as touchy as Muslims are about Ol' Moh when it comes to the "Who was here first?' question.
"The first humans to spread across North America may have been seal hunters from France"
France is the origin of all civilization, naturally.
And before men, it was Lorien of the Elves.
People sure traveled more than we could imagine.
their genes didn't survive, which means they all died outThere isn't any scientific study that shows that.
And what, pray tell, inspired the reconstructor to put thick lips and flaired nostrils on that skull? Not to mention dark skin, heck, where's the kinky hair?
Come on, there's no way to tell from that skull what color her skin was, how thick her lips were, or whether her nostrils flaired.
Skull reconstruction is an art, and the artist took artistic license.
Saami DNA is European and Finno-Ugric, haplotypes H1 and U5b.
Apparently the DNA of the Saami population is one of the best studied.
http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1449&page=5
If you want to spend your time speculating based on the shape of noses and so forth, anthropology has moved beyond that. The genes don't lie and they can't be faked and they aren't susceptible to Ivory Tower spin-doctoring.
That photo doesn't look like a "white man" to me. Those aren't "white" cheekbones, and that's not a "white" nose, and those aren't "white" eyelids. Very Indian.
If the statue is as old as 8,000 years old, it's amazing there's any paint on it still, but the climate is probably very dry.
Do you know what happens to pigment over time? Ever had to replace furniture or a carpet because the sun faded it? Ever tried to read old writing made by an ink pen?
I had a history teacher in high school who was absolutely convinced that all the great men in history had red hair and green eyes. She collected anecdotes that supported her theory, and discarded all factoids which did not support her theory.
If it is important to you to believe that white people with red hair and blond hair went everywhere first and did everything first, then you collect stuff like that. But the odd thing is, now that we are looking for ourselves, no traces of these legendary people can be found. Odd, no?
They didn't work their slaves to death in gold and silver mines, nor on tobacco, sugar or indigo plantations.
Do you know why the English gave up on Native American slaves? They'd run away, into the woods, where they were perfectly able to survive until they met a friendly tribe.
Blacks, on the other hand, found it extremely difficult to run away because there was no place for them to go where they'd blend in.
I can easily show you modern people who are very much Caucasian and have very similar features to "that statue" - most of which are from New Hampshire, Maine, and Newfoundland
There's no scientific study that shows that European genes survived.
Essentially all Native American mtDNA haplotypes are A, B, C and D.
There is a fifth mtDNA haplogroup, X, found among WESTERN Americans, but not EASTERN, which some speculated might be of European origin, but that was shot down when it was shown to be identical to X mtDNA in the Altai region of Siberia.
X didn't come from Spain and it didn't come from France. It came from people walking East from Central Asia across Berengia.
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