[LiteKeeper]

:-) Nice try - but that is NOT what is generally referred to when talking about evolution. Even variation within a species is not what is referred to as evolution...even creationists believe in Natural Selection - it is integral to speciation (variation within a species, but not the evolution of new species).

The debate about evolution refers to the rise of new species due to mutations...it refers to the rise of species all from a common ancestor. And that has never been demonstrated in the Lab, nor in Nature.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"even creationists believe in Natural Selection - it is integral to speciation (variation within a species, but not the evolution of new species)."

Speciation is by definition the production of a new species.

"And that has never been demonstrated in the Lab, nor in Nature."

Sure it has. The problem is creationists are stuck on the term *kind* (which has no taxonomic meaning). They want a new species to be something completely different from the original species, with completely new organs and structures like wings sprouting or new eyes. The definition of species accepted by science is not perfect, but it does represent a real biological population.

[js1138]

The debate about evolution refers to the rise of new species due to mutations...it refers to the rise of species all from a common ancestor. And that has never been demonstrated in the Lab, nor in Nature.

How would you recognize the rise of a new species? Be specific.

[Oztrich Boy]

it is integral to speciation (variation within a species, but not the evolution of new species).

Another Creatiod changing definitions of science.

[Stultis]

even creationists believe in Natural Selection - it is integral to speciation (variation within a species, but not the evolution of new species).

"Speciation" means the emergence of a new species, or the splitting of one species into two. But leaving that aside, how then do YOU propose that new species arise?

Having visited your homepage, it's clear that you fully accept a young earth, a global flood, and a literal understanding of the story of Noah's Ark. So, you can cram at most 20 or 30 thousand "kinds" aboard the ark. And yet in just a few thousand years those "kinds" have to diversify into the some 5,000,000 to 15,000,000 (estimated) extant biological species. That's hundreds of thousands of speciation events even if every available "kind" participated in the process of splitting into biological species.

So how do you think this occurred?