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Click on the article link to see the pictures, diagrams, and formalae referred to in the article. Nature has given our furry companions more capabilities than we give credit for or even fully understand ourselves.
1 posted on 02/18/2006 2:42:50 PM PST by T-Bird45
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2 posted on 02/18/2006 2:45:32 PM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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My Jack Russells are pretty smart sometimes.


3 posted on 02/18/2006 2:46:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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Yup.. and the boys of summer make physics calculations while standing in the batter's box.


4 posted on 02/18/2006 2:47:19 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Mohammed's Mother wears Army Boots)
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They do calculus and urinate on the rug. They are geniuses all right..


5 posted on 02/18/2006 2:47:21 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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Ping!


6 posted on 02/18/2006 2:48:43 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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Yep, this is fabulous science. I would have never known that dogs know how to fetch a thrown ball with accuracy. I'll bet flying birds use thermals with a precision similar to mathematical models showing how to best soar through the air; dolphins cut through the water in a manner reducable to numbers that demonstrate that they use the least amount of muscular power for the amount of forward motion; and wolves run down prey reflecting a near-perfect relationship between energy used to maintain the chase and finally killing the quarry. Wow.


8 posted on 02/18/2006 2:50:08 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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Does a calf roper use calculus in selecting the trajectory for the rope, including the precisely correct moment of release of a rapidly rotating object? The answer is "Consciously, no." But his instincts and training approximate the results he would get if he DID.

I suspect it's the same with the dog. The fallacy in the writer's theory is that calculus came first and the behavior follows. In truth, calculus is simply a tool used to describe the behavior that already existed.

9 posted on 02/18/2006 2:50:10 PM PST by IronJack
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I could only teach differential calculus to my Westie. This bread hates integrating!
10 posted on 02/18/2006 2:53:47 PM PST by mathprof
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"Calculating dogs (dogs use calculus?)"

Very funny topic, I must say. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is, indeed, some mathematical process going on in the dog's brain. But then, we'll never know for sure, will we? If I could venture a guess, I would have to say that it is some sort of successive approximation process.

11 posted on 02/18/2006 2:56:20 PM PST by davisfh
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...Elvis performs in a way that closely matches a calculus-based mathematical model of the situation...

duh, the idiot has it the wrong way around...the mathematical formula closely matches the optimal way the dog, Elvis performs this particular task!

12 posted on 02/18/2006 2:58:24 PM PST by madtier1
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The dog is doing this intuitively. There is no "dV/dT" calculation going on, the dog is simply estimating (based on experience) where the ball (or Frisby, or stick) is going to be at a particular time, and speeds up, slows, or turns to meet the object at that particular point. As the dog has its eye on the object, it continues to adjust the estimate to meet the anticipated contact point at the optimal time.

Human beings do the same thing when trying to beat out a red light.


14 posted on 02/18/2006 3:01:00 PM PST by alloysteel (Ask all your friends, "Would you want the junior Senator from New York to be your mother-in-law?")
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They told me blue heelers were smart, but mine is almost 4 and barely reads.


18 posted on 02/18/2006 3:07:19 PM PST by AndrewB
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Must be a different kind of calculus than my dog used; the one who did not know how to use the doggie door until after I got on my hands and knees and modeled it for him a few times and finally pushed him through it.


20 posted on 02/18/2006 3:12:45 PM PST by flying Elvis
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Atlas, my Weimaraner (pics on my home page) plots an intercept when chasing a squirrel, endeavoring to nab it as it runs toward the safety of the nearest tree. He is absolutely aware that the squirrel will be running toward the tree, and his path of pursuit "leads" the squirrel.

Unfortunately for Atlas (and fortunately for the squirrels), the rodents can vary their speed in a nanosecond; frequently, they will slam on the brakes, and Atlas will overshoot. Good planning, but poor execution when it comes to adapting to rapidly changing circumstances. A Weimaraner chasing a squirrel looks like a Mercedes S-Class trying to run down a skilled skateboarder: it ain't gonna happen. Atlas is zero-for-several hundred with respect to squirrels. Plenty of speed (he has dispatched a couple of rabbits, whose lack of tree-climbing ability proved fatal), but a bit lacking in mobility.

21 posted on 02/18/2006 3:12:52 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (I've upped my standards! Up yours!)
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Wow, who would of thought that a dog having the ability to fetch something using the least amount of effort would be news worthy.


22 posted on 02/18/2006 3:15:04 PM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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24 posted on 02/18/2006 3:22:14 PM PST by kstewskis (Buy Danish!)
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Depending on the dog's running and swimming speeds, the strategy that Elvis follows appears to minimize the time that it takes to get to the ball.

Wow, the same principle that explains refraction.

25 posted on 02/18/2006 3:24:24 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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..and American 's school children can't even +,-,* & /....goin' to the dogs. :^/
34 posted on 02/18/2006 4:12:09 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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You'll not that for a fixed running to swimming speed ratio, the optimal entry point occurs when the stick location makes a fixed angle to the perpendicular, so the problem is the same every time, regardless of where the stick is thrown.

If the dog always cues on this angle, and the angle is anywhere near optimal, it would be easy to draw these conclusions.


43 posted on 02/18/2006 5:01:48 PM PST by dr_lew
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Some dogs are smarter than others. Mine is smart enough to stay on the sofa and avoid chasing pointlessly after balls.


44 posted on 02/18/2006 5:04:32 PM PST by Malesherbes
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