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The Evolution of Theory: Defining the Debate
Breakpoint ^ | Feb, 16, 2006 | Allen Dobras

Posted on 02/18/2006 1:21:05 PM PST by DeweyCA

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To: trashcanbred
"But don't take my word for it..."

Actually, I probably value your word more than I would "talkorigins".

81 posted on 02/18/2006 4:09:20 PM PST by labette (In the beginning God created....)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You ignore my entire post, which includes the basic building blocks of the argument and you post an ad hominem.

You misrepresented the entire TTOE. I can send you some links, but you will just wave it off as propoganda anyway.

Your summary of my post doesn't repreent what was posted.

Standard CRIDer technique: Logical Fallacy (a form of lying).


82 posted on 02/18/2006 4:11:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: RunningWolf
find the articles much more informative provocative enlightening educational than the 'education' I get from the FR evos LOL

Why do you dopes always "LOL" after every ignorant statement you make here? It's kind of disturbing.
83 posted on 02/18/2006 4:12:17 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: bvw

If evolution is bunk why does the ancient fossil records lack the remains of ALL modern day animals? If things don't evolve then we should find fossils of the single hooved horse next to the horses are five toed? We should see all types of modern day animals in the fossil record that go all the way back to the beginning of life on Earth. But we do not.

Why?


84 posted on 02/18/2006 4:12:58 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: farmer18th
I must say it's been amusing to see the way orthodox, lock-step evolutionists on FR have insisted on their own defintion of "theory."

Right. Now if only all the Christian denominations could agree on - oh, ANYTHING - then you'd be getting somewhere.
85 posted on 02/18/2006 4:14:13 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: labette
Actually, I probably value your word more than I would "talkorigins".

Well thanks, I think :-)

My point is a finger from that long ago would not look so "good" just because we have seen human flesh that were covered up in the same way the article suggests and they do not look like that (it would be wrinkled, darkened color, etc...). Also the article I pointed out does discuss the CT scan and such.

Besides you almost never find any animal whose flesh is fossilized so well from so long ago. It just seems very very very very very unlikely.

Now... if you found a skull... or even a jawbone that was hominid... doesn't have to be human just a hominid, that would really be something.

86 posted on 02/18/2006 4:19:21 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks
Evolution WAS the law in all the communist countries.

Say what?! Stalin infamously murdered all evolutionists. You moron.
87 posted on 02/18/2006 4:20:50 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks
You evos have a very thin skin when your religion is discussed. Gravity and Math don't have anything to do with whether you have God given rights or not. I'll repeat again, if you don't believe in a Creator, don't bitch when your freedom is taken away. Blind ranting as it may be...

Are you off your meds? TTOE is silent on God (or a Creator of any kind). I have said this to you twice. Likewise, understanding TTOE is no more a sign of atheism than the choice of color of your underwear.

By the way, a lot of evos seem to have a case of logorrhea but no one has yet been able to explain away the Cambrian explosion, the irreducibly complex systems, etc., etc.

That is because you don't understand the explanations. A standard CRIDer strawman is that evolution must proceed in some sort of stepwise, stately fixed timeframe. The fact is nature is messy, and the changes over time happen in fits and starts. It is observing the cumulative effects and seeing where they are introduce that gives significant credibility to TTOE.

"Irreducibly complex systems" is also a canard frequently trotted out by CRIDers. In a nutshell, it means TTOE is too complicated to understand in all its full presentation so instead we will have God go {poof}.

Of course things like string theory, quantum physics, etc. etc. which are equally complex are valid lines of research, but not biological origins.

Look, I understand that is easier to read and digest Genesis which can be read in a day than the nuances of TTOE, but you should have a basic grasp of what you are arguing against before entering the debate.

88 posted on 02/18/2006 4:21:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: trashcanbred
"if you found a skull... or even a jawbone.."

about halfway down the page

Someone once said that we see what we wish to see...or something like that.

89 posted on 02/18/2006 4:27:49 PM PST by labette (In the beginning God created....)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp
To suppose that the eye...

Jenny already exploded that one. But it'll be back, next thread.

90 posted on 02/18/2006 4:28:50 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Are you trying to say that there is a connection between the official religion of Communism, i.e. Atheism, and the fact that Communism is also the most murderous form of government that ever existed? I know, I know... 100 MILLION DEAD PEOPLE in the 20th century alone is not statistically significant.

How you people link athiesm with TTOE is beyond me. Not only is this unverified that such a link was made, but this i a classic eample of post hoc ergo propter hoc AND non sequitur (2 fallacies in one!).

Stalin had a beard. Stalin was an athiest. Therefore if you have a beard you are an athiest. Stalin killed millions. STalin was an athiest. Therefore if you have a beard you have killed millions.

I am waiting for a SINGLE post by a CRIDer that is not full of logical fallacies and/or purposeful deception.

Just one.

91 posted on 02/18/2006 4:30:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: microgood

Repeated encounters with such ignorance and mendacity does that to one.


92 posted on 02/18/2006 4:36:31 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: labette
Malachite Man. Claim CC111.
93 posted on 02/18/2006 4:37:08 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

See post #81.


94 posted on 02/18/2006 4:46:03 PM PST by labette (In the beginning God created....)
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To: Cicero

bttt


95 posted on 02/18/2006 4:48:49 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: labette
See post #81.

Non sequitur. Are you reading the materials involved?

You see, the link in post 93 is a total refutation of your 81. Note also the the Glen Kuban article. Essentially none of the statements in the Bible.CA link you keep referring to are true.

96 posted on 02/18/2006 4:52:49 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
But it'll be back, next thread.

The creos like to squawk about Piltdown Man, but creationist lies are never abandoned by creationists even after exposure. Malachite Man, Cretacious Hammer, various footprints, Darwin's rhetorical questions ...

97 posted on 02/18/2006 4:55:10 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: trashcanbred
What did *I*, *me*, the poster to whom you are addressing your question, JUST say about evolution? Truely, if thou hast a honest question please do the one to whom thou respondeth the honor and dignity of a question that somehow, someway is indicative of thou havingst read and understood the point to which thou didst respondeth.
98 posted on 02/18/2006 4:58:19 PM PST by bvw
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To: freedumb2003
How you people link athiesm with TTOE is beyond me

That's because you are freedumb.

Follow the thread, read with comprehension, and then stop being beyond yourself.

99 posted on 02/18/2006 4:59:13 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Follow the thread, read with comprehension, and then stop being beyond yourself.

IOW you can't answer. I have pointed out MULTIPLE TIMES the logical fallacies used for the linkage and have ZERO direct answers.

I have zero answers because I have exposed you all for the prevaricators you are.

Tell me how my logic is wrong or accept your proper label as liars.

100 posted on 02/18/2006 5:02:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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