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To: narby

"WHAT non-naturalistic mechanism has *ever* been identified. ANY non-naturalistic mechanism. Any faith. Any sacred stone demonstrated to have non-naturalistic power. Any reproducible evidence for any such ghost whatever."

Sorry to pop your little bubble, but pure naturalism cannot even explain consciousness. If you think it can, you simply don't understand the problem.

While we're at it, do you believe that any conscious being exists other than yourself? If so, give me your evidence. If not, then why did you reply to me earlier (if I'm just a mechanism)?


66 posted on 02/16/2006 10:07:57 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP; Ichneumon
Sorry to pop your little bubble...

We can get to that right after you demonstrate any non-naturalistic mechanism. Maybe statistical studies of palm reading. Horoscopes maybe. Anything.

I'm not up on your question of consciousness, but it sounds more like philosophy than science. I see no problem with imagining my little computer between the ears being the source of consciousness (knock yourself in the head with a hammer then tell me your consciousness is *not* in your physical brain).

Right after you conclusively demonstrate the existence of any supernatural phenomenon then you can try to attach that thing to consciousness.

Good luck.

68 posted on 02/16/2006 10:19:15 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: RussP; narby
Sorry to pop your little bubble, but pure naturalism cannot even explain consciousness.

And "supernaturalism" *can*? Don't kid yourself.

If you think it can, you simply don't understand the problem.

Right back at ya. "Supernaturalism" explains exactly nothing with regards to consciousness, it just slaps some undefined labels on it then knocks off for lunch.

On the other hand, there are good reasons to think that consciousness resides in the physical (for example, it can be affected/suppressed/extinguished by anesthetics), and zero reason to conclude that it resides in some undefined "metaphysical".

73 posted on 02/16/2006 10:31:35 PM PST by Ichneumon
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