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Mo. firefighters refuse to help non-member
modbee ^ | 2-16-06

Posted on 02/16/2006 3:52:53 PM PST by LouAvul

Edited on 02/16/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MONETT, Mo. (AP) - Rural firefighters stood by and watched a fire destroy a garage and a vehicle because the property owner had not paid membership dues.

Bibaldo Rueda - who was injured battling the flames Monday - offered to pay the dues as the fire blazed away, but the Monett Rural Fire Department does not have a policy for on-the-spot billing, Sheriff's Detective Robert Evenson said.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Missouri
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To: LouAvul

They could have dosed the fire, billed him and slapped a lien on the property. I think this was the wrong way to deal with the situation.


81 posted on 02/16/2006 4:51:55 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: billbears

I call them , Well I cant say it banishment isnt my thing.

Its a sorry person who would watch someone drown, because he didnt pay the Fire Department.

This man was injured, burned, while trying to save his property, he was desprate . A trained crew stood by with apparatus and watched.They probably stood there laughing. If that is the Missourri way then I say the hell with Missourri. So he is a cheap bastid, That doesnt make it right.


82 posted on 02/16/2006 4:54:25 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Go_Raiders

That wasn't name-calling. I have only the highest regard for firefighters, and especially volunteer firefighters. But that's not what we're talking about here.

They did not fight the fire. They were fire-watchers, not fire-fighters. What this is, is a fire protection racket, not a volunteer fire department.

There. Now ~that~ was name-calling. :-)


83 posted on 02/16/2006 4:55:45 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: sgtbono2002

From another source that tells a little bit more than the modbee.com.

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/BREAKING01/60216004

Rural firefighters take pass on battling flames at nonpaying residence

Associated Press

Monett Rural firefighters stood by and watched a fire destroy a garage and a vehicle because the property owner, who was injured battling the flames, had not paid membership dues.

Monett Rural Fire Department Chief Ronnie Myers defended the policy, saying the membership-based organization could not survive if people thought the department would respond for free. The department said it will fight a fire without question if a life is believed to be in danger.

Myers said he would make an effort to explain the membership policy to the area's new Hispanic residents after the property's owner, Bibaldo Rueda, said he had never been told of the dues policy since moving there 1 1/2 years ago.

According to Barry County Sheriff's Detective Robert Evenson, the fire broke out Monday on four acres owned by Rueda south of Monett, about 50 miles southwest of Springfield.

Four mobile homes and a number of vehicles were on the property. Rueda managed to get one mobile home out of the way, using a garden hose and buckets, but was burned in the process, Evenson said.

Monett Rural Fire Department responded to the scene but did not fight the fire. Firefighters stood by from the road as the fire burned itself out, watching in case the flames spread to neighboring properties owned by members.

"People need to realize you've got to become a member. If you live outside the city limits, you need to join one of the rural fire departments," Myers said.

Rueda offered to pay, Evenson said, but the Monett department does not have a policy for on-the-spot billing.

Nearby Cassville and Mt. Vernon have gone to tax-supported rural fire districts, following a public vote, wherein all fires are fought.

Rural Monett members have not been asked to choose between memberships and tax support, though they came out strongly against a proposed Aurora Rural Bi-County Fire Protection District, which was voted down in 2001.


84 posted on 02/16/2006 4:57:40 PM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: LouAvul

What jackasses.


85 posted on 02/16/2006 4:59:24 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: sgtbono2002
There is a big difference between asking for donations and demanding them.

I agree.

86 posted on 02/16/2006 4:59:38 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: indcons

The fire department is SUPPOSED to serve and protect, not say "screw you, you didn't pay us up front."


87 posted on 02/16/2006 5:00:19 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: flying Elvis
I guess I was raised different from a lot of folks on this thread. I was taught to help my neighbor in a time of emergency, whether he merited it or not. Even if I did not like my neighbor I would lend a hand if their property was on fire

The fire fighter mafiosi probably would have tried to stop any neighbors from helping on the grounds it was too dangerous. What a bunch of punks.

88 posted on 02/16/2006 5:01:12 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
You know, they could have put the fire out when the guy offered to pay and then billed him for it. Officious little pricks.

And then everyone would cancel their dues and "pay if I have a fire." I has nothing to do with being officious, and everything to do with voluntarily paying for insurance. Try offering to pay for auto insurance after you've had a wreck.

89 posted on 02/16/2006 5:02:35 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: listenhillary
Rural Monett members have not been asked to choose between memberships and tax support, though they came out strongly against a proposed Aurora Rural Bi-County Fire Protection District, which was voted down in 2001

With 'firefighters' like this, I can understand that

90 posted on 02/16/2006 5:03:48 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Think of it differently . . .

If people in this guy's area didn't volunteer to fight fires, what would he do in the event of a fire? My guess is that he'd do exactly what he DID do -- try to put the fire out with a garden hose, then watch the building burn to the ground.

Call me an "officious prick" if you want, but I like the idea of turning every resident into a "taxpayer" of sorts when it comes to financing public services like this.

91 posted on 02/16/2006 5:04:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: SampleMan

It is the FIRE DEPARTMENT.

They are to SERVE THE PUBLIC.

Not serve MEMBERS. They are to serve ****everyone**** in their area.


92 posted on 02/16/2006 5:04:42 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rsobin
I am a volunteer fireman in a small community. This approach is unimaginable! We would help anyone in our district with any problem they have. We would also help anyone out of our district on a mutual aid basis. This includes fire, accidents , medical problems ,and simple invalid assists 24 hours a day every day. This is who we are and this is what we do.

Yeah, I can't imagine this either. Must be some politics at play.

93 posted on 02/16/2006 5:05:34 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: rsobin

Damn right . This is what we are and what we do. these guy suck.


94 posted on 02/16/2006 5:05:37 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: flying Elvis
Check out what's happening in Emergency Rooms all over the country. ERs are forced to treat regardless of ability to pay. County hospitals are going broke because people don't get insurance and don't go to the doctor. They call an ambulance (required to transport them) and go to the ER (required to treat them). The reason a ten minute ambulance ride costs you $750 to $2,000 is because many ambulance services are getting less than 1/3rd payment from transports. Some people, who would be perfectly safe taking a taxi to the hospital, use the ambulance because the taxi driver doesn't have to take you if you aren't willing to pay the ten dollar fee immediately. Their credit can't get any worse, so they'll take a $750 ambulance ride because it's free (they ain't gonna pay).

I've watched several private ambulance firms struggling to make ends meet, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, running ambulances with 250,000 to 300,000 miles on them, paying Paramedics $7.50 to $8.00 an hour to make fifteen to twenty runs in a 24 hour shift. Most of these Paramedics give up after three or four years. They're worn out and burned out.

I believe in helping my neighbor, too. However, in this country right now, there are a lot of people jumping up and down on the safety net as hard as they can.

If a person was inside the house in the subject article, nothing could have kept me out. If it was just stuff, well he made his decision. BTW, I don't believe he didn't know there was a fee for service.

95 posted on 02/16/2006 5:06:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Ramius
What this is, is a fire protection racket

This has me wondering what started the fire.

96 posted on 02/16/2006 5:06:43 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Krankor

Your auto insurance comparison is very good. Thank you for the sanity check.

Were it not for the subscribers, these rural subscription fire departments would not be able to pay for their buildings or equipment, would not exist, and everybody's house would burn down. They are volunteers usually on a shoestring budget.

Just a guess, the guy either forgot to or didn't want to pay the fee.

From another poster on the thread, likely there were at least some notifications by mail, in the paper or whatever.


97 posted on 02/16/2006 5:07:18 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: LouAvul
Sounds more like a protection scheme to me. Isn't that supposed to be illegal? May the 'people' who did this come under horrible fortunes. I'd be more specific, but karma tends to be a b1tch lol.
98 posted on 02/16/2006 5:07:33 PM PST by KoRn
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To: flying Elvis

Yeah. Legally I can understand this but not morally. I would have been out there helping my neighbor.


99 posted on 02/16/2006 5:07:42 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: listenhillary
Rueda offered to pay, Evenson said, but the Monett department does not have a policy for on-the-spot billing.

LOL...

I can see the firefighters standing there waiting until the credit card gets approved. Meanwhile, the argument between the "customer" and the fire chief over whether the C/C procedure is gonna take longer than it should in order to salvage the house.

Even reading this thing is surreal.

100 posted on 02/16/2006 5:08:17 PM PST by Fruitbat
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