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Is this even possible when "heaven" is more desirable?
1 posted on 02/15/2006 11:27:18 AM PST by Jeremiah2911
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To: Jeremiah2911

Why does Islam have to reform?...I thought it was already
the religion of peace?


2 posted on 02/15/2006 11:30:04 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Dark Skies

ping


3 posted on 02/15/2006 11:31:08 AM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: Jeremiah2911

good read.


4 posted on 02/15/2006 11:31:16 AM PST by wjcsux (I would prefer to have the German army in front of me than the French army behind me- Gen. G. Patton)
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To: Jeremiah2911

I vote for #3.


5 posted on 02/15/2006 11:31:55 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Jeremiah2911
Can we conceivably get along with people still living in the 12th Century?

The majority of Muslim-Americans live in the 21st Century. The countries they come from live in the 12th Century. It's up to them to REFORM.

6 posted on 02/15/2006 11:33:59 AM PST by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility………Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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To: Jeremiah2911

Islam needs reform to adjust to the reality of the modern world. However, as much as 70% of moslems don't want reform but want the west to go away.


7 posted on 02/15/2006 11:36:26 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Jeremiah2911

I'll take what's behind door #3 Monty.


12 posted on 02/15/2006 11:50:44 AM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: Jeremiah2911
If we truly want to reform the Muslim world, making them see that peaceful coexistence is more desirable than reactive violence, the solution is to bring Islam into the 21st Century.

That is asking them to give up their religion for worldly gain, and to accomodate the Infidels. Not likely to work.

The plane hijackers had the worldly goods, They gave their lives up for the religion. They had good earthly lives,money education family etc.

Multi millionaire Osama bin Laden had it all, and he gave it up to fight the Infidels . Many well to do suicide bombers came from Saudi Arabia into Iraq and other places, and they gave their lives fighting the Infidel for the belief that paradise would be theirs.

Given a choice between paradise or worldly things, or doing Allah's work on earth;..... killing the Infidel, and the Muslim heretics who collaborate with the Infidel scum, will be the choice of the Muslim believers who follow the dictates of the Koran and the Hadiths.

You are not going to buy them of with an offer of an alternative lifestyle. - tom

13 posted on 02/15/2006 11:54:50 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Jeremiah2911
Reform Them ... But How?

Will happen when Muslims like Muqtedar Khan become influential leaders in the Muslim world.  Though he is reputed to be a vocal critic of Bush's foreign policy, he defends America's role in the world.

He reminded Europe of its double standards. As he puts it: 'Compared to Europe's history American colonial ambitions are insignificant and as far as democracy and freedom of religion was concerned the US was streets ahead of the French ... I reminded them that the US was, as former Secretary of State Albright pointed out, the "indispensable nation".

His allegiance to America leads Khan to delineate the kind of role that American Muslims ought to play as citizens of that country. Writing in the New York Times, he sets the context of his thesis by emphasising that 9/11 has been a traumatic experience for American Muslims. They now face 'hostility and prejudice in many corners of society'. Yet, this traumatic experience also provides a window of opportunity to reconstruct the identity of American Muslims. Some positive changes are underway, such as endowments to fund Islamic Studies in American Universities, but a lot more needs to be done. As he puts it: 'We need to ... demonstrate that Muslims in this country constitute an ethical and philanthropic community that cares about humanitarian causes, about America and Americans and stands for justice and rights as embodied in the Constitution.'

He reminds fellow Americans that there are mutual obligations. 'They cannot allow events overseas to foster anti-Muslim sentiments and Islamophobia at home'. Ultimately, Khan sees a reconstructed American Muslim identity in which '...Muslims must realise that the interests of our sons and daughters, who are American, must come before the interests of our brothers and sisters, whether they are Palestinian, Kashmiri or Iraqi'.

From A liberal Muslim goes to America

Of interest via Wikipedia:  Liberal movements within Islam

14 posted on 02/15/2006 11:57:11 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Jeremiah2911

I am sorry, but our only hope is their total annilihation, they have proven that through actions and lack there of.


16 posted on 02/15/2006 12:06:19 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Jeremiah2911

A muslim cannot both remain true to his scriptures and be appeased or reformed. That leaves us option #3.


18 posted on 02/15/2006 12:41:54 PM PST by TexasRepublic (North American distributor for Mohammed Urinals. Franchises available.)
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To: Jeremiah2911

bump for later


21 posted on 02/15/2006 12:52:03 PM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: Jeremiah2911

I've said it before,
the greatest war will be between them and they.


26 posted on 02/15/2006 2:10:28 PM PST by najida (Godiva's are Half off today! WHOO HOO!)
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To: Jeremiah2911
NO THANKS.

Keep 'em in Europe.

30 posted on 02/15/2006 2:22:50 PM PST by F16Fighter
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You have to attack the ideology of islam and make it a joke and a sad thing to be part of, the greatest worldwide propaganda war of all time. It is the only way to bring any type of long term solution....islam must go.
31 posted on 02/15/2006 2:29:00 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Jeremiah2911

the solution is to bring Islam into the 21st Century

They are doing that just fine at Nantaz,
unfortunately they are doing it so that they can
push us back into the 14th century.

We will soon be at a time when total war will not be
"unthinkable" to us, the Islamic hordes are already there.


39 posted on 02/15/2006 7:08:55 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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