Race walls won't end jail riots (Kumbaya Logic)

LA Times.com ^ | 2-12-06 | Kent

[wardaddy]

For years, Sheriff Lee Baca has known that the L.A. County jails are a powder keg. Overcrowding and understaffing, and the increased tension that those two factors bring, have created a situation potentially so volatile that everyone inside — inmates and deputies alike — is unsafe. Last week, dilapidated, outmoded facilities provided the fire that ignited the fuse.

Despite what you may be hearing, race is not the issue. Sure, racial tensions carry over from the streets and into the jails. If a major fight breaks out, street gang and all other affiliations are pushed aside and inmates join with others of the same race. If they don't, they can expect to be targeted and attacked by members of the group they abandoned

[wardaddy]

Typical liberal logic. Disavow glaring evidence to the contrary to further one's agenda. There is little doubt that racial conflict between Latin and Black gangs (and other gangs to a lesser degree)is one of the biggest problems in any majory prison or jail in the USA. Anyone who thinks black and latino (Mexican mostly) gang members do not loathe one another is dreaming and ignoring reality.

[Joe Boucher]

Criminals? Who cares, and if they kill one another?
O K

[son of caesar]

no, you have to be totally wrong in regards the racial rioting among our prized citizens. after all, the whole planet knows that only white people are discriminatory. blacks and hispanics would never resort to such barbary.

[wardaddy]

you'd care if it was your family member in there

everyone is prison is not a predator...though lots are

and they are not as segregated as folks think

[Joe Boucher]

I am fortunate that no one in my family is in jail. We obey the laws.

[wardaddy]

I cannot fathom why a fair number of freepers always hold this haughty sarcastic view that anyone in jail or prison deserves to die regardless of what they have done, simply because they are incarcerated.

Reminds me of the old adage of if your child is arrested Friday night for something minor to "leave them in there over the weekend to teach them a lesson"

That might have been appropriate in anothert ime in a country jail where you play checkers with the Andy and Aunt Bee cooks breakfast.

But, that could be a death sentence or rape in many large urban jails....especially if one's child is white. But that would be ok by you after all they broke the law....being gang raped or murdered is just par for the course for anyone who doesn't obey the law.

Whatever happened to a sense of propriety?

[Vaduz]

Bring out the chains and have free road repair labor.

[BenLurkin]

"Despite what you may be hearing, race is not the issue."

This nonsense from the ACLU. She sees the tensions as being between those who sleep on the top bunk on those on the bottom bunk...!

Look, Ramona, the riots aren't between topbunkers and lower bunkers . . . now do you get it?

[oldbrowser]

Instead, the Sheriff's Department should focus its resources on better securing the inmates in custody and expanding programs to inmates of all security levels to reduce tension in the jails, improve public safety and create an environment in which Baca can maintain appropriate staffing levels.

Uh huh, see, that's pretty simple. /sarc.

[Joe Boucher]

I didn't say i thought those in jail deserved to die there pal. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I'm not too worried about those in jail.
They are over crowded and they don't have chances for rehabilitation and the food sucks etc etc. I DON'T CARE.
Don't put yourself in that position.

[wardaddy]

I didn't say i thought those in jail deserved to die there pal

That's right Joe. My bad. This is exactly what you said:

Criminals? Who cares, and if they kill one another? O K

I'm sorry I missed the nuance in your thoughtful post.

[wardaddy]

Yep...anyone who knows anyone who has been in jail/prison (and I relaize that is only a handful of freepers ..lol) knows that racial tension is exponentially more acute in jail/prison ...and it's bad enough in some places in the "world".

[river rat]

Liberals never have dealt well with reality....
That is precisely why everything they control or manipulate - turns to shit...

They live in the ether world, a world that ignores or fails to comprehend that which does not fit their "ideal"...

Hate, Evil, Greed and the Lust for pleasure, power and superiority are facts of human nature that can be ignored only at one's peril....

Liberals, Cowards and the ignorant choose to ignore the threats that require action or risk. They behave as ostriches - believing themselves safe.

No one is made safer by ignoring a threat....
It just makes them more easily conquered or destroyed..

History is the record of such foolishness..

Semper Fi

[wardaddy]

Amen brother....it's the same way they view the 1200 year old Islamic threat......"what-if" logic

[jocon307]

Don't forget there are guards and other staff who work in prisons who are not criminals. Prison should be harsh, but it should not be permitted to be a criminal underworld itself.

[Teacher317]

Typical liberal logic. It isn't the fault of the ramapaging minorities, it is the fault of government for not spending enough money to solve the problem. Incredible.

[Joe Boucher]

That is pretty much what I have heard it is,
I don't wish harm on anyone, it isn't like I advocate death to prisoners, just that I don';t feel their pain.

[Balding_Eagle]

it isn't like I advocate death to prisoners,

The problem is that you essentially did, in your first post to this thread.

[Joe Boucher]

Look guy, there are a whole passel of things in this big diversified world. You can pick and choose what to spend your limited time getting involved with or care about.
I have never been in jail and neither has anyone in my family.
Since I have little involvement with prison or prisoners I just don't care about their plight.

[Balding_Eagle]

Then why are you afraid to admit you essential said it was OK for prisoners to kill one another? It was a simple confrontation by another poster, and you ran away from your words.

Criminals? Who cares, and if they kill one another? O K

You're obviously not as brave or secure in your views as your bluster would portray.