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Their Own Version of a Big Bang: A creative & effective challenge to the "science" of Darwinism
LA Times ^ | 11 Feb 2006 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 02/11/2006 8:38:29 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

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To: beaver fever
"He doesn't engage in the political and legal fights that have erupted over the teaching of evolution. His strategy is more subtle:"

He doesn't engage because his 65 IQ would be exposed.

61 posted on 02/11/2006 9:50:50 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: stormer

>>"I'm only interested in the truth.:

>Then perhaps you should seek it.

If you seek for the truth you won't find it, but if you seek God you will find the truth.


62 posted on 02/11/2006 9:51:05 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: TheBrotherhood

"If you seek for the truth you won't find it, but if you seek God you will find the truth."

I see. So I guess everything I know is wrong.


63 posted on 02/11/2006 9:56:43 PM PST by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Wormwood
Solipsism as science.

Only I exist therefore I am God. I raise my hand and ask were you there too?

64 posted on 02/11/2006 9:57:36 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: TheBrotherhood

yes, thank God for Mr. Hamm. I wish I had heard him when I was a child being brainwashed in the government schools. I honestly think I would have been better off missing grades 7-12 and just going to work or learning a trade. The darkside is really crafty with it's hole filled evolution taught as fact to impressionable minds. It's really sad.


65 posted on 02/11/2006 9:59:56 PM PST by fabian
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To: Coyoteman
Challenges to the Manetho King lists

Two men challenged the assumption that Manetho's king lists were consecutive and not overlapping.

Velikovsky's studies. Immanuel Velikovsky was a Russian who practiced psychoanalysis until the mid-1930s, at which time he devoted the rest of his life to unraveling ancient chronologies and time periods.

Turning to the oldest and largest ancient history book in the world, the Bible, he compared it with secular records of all kinds.

He found that, although the Bible recorded many contacts between Egypt and Israel, mid-20th century archaeologists said they could not correlate any of them with their findings. How could this be? Velikovsky wondered. He determined to find out.

He discovered that the problem centered on a gullible acceptance of Manetho's king lists, as a single, trustworthy time-span listing.

Eventually, Velikovsky wrote three major books: Ages in Chaos, 1952; Peoples of the Sea, 1977; and Ramses II and His Time, 1978, detailing his reasons.—pp. 17-18. Courville's studies. In 1956, Donovan A. Courville, a biochemist at Loma Linda University, read Ages in Chaos, and began his own research in ancient history. Fifteen years of in-depth research followed.

In the main, Courville agreed with Velikovsky's conclusions regarding the Middle Kingdom. But Courville carried the dating back further than Velikovsky had—all the way to the first dynasty,—and came upon a variety of reasons why many of Manetho's dynasties occurred simultaneously with one another.

According to Courville's findings, the "Old Kingdom" occurred at the same time as the "Middle Kingdom" rather than preceding it by 400-500 years. Courville's careful analysis reduced the length of Egypt's dynasties, and placed its first double-ruler dynasty at around 2150 B.C. This would be approximately 200-350 years after the Flood, according to whichever date one wished to set for that cataclysm. (From his studies, the present writer sets the date of the Flood at c. 2348 B.C.) In 1971, Courville wrote his monumental book, The Exodus Problem and Its Ramifications, in 1971.—pp. 18-19.

66 posted on 02/11/2006 10:01:14 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: jec41

IQ of 65 would imply that he can eat stewed carrots with a bent spoon without making a mess.

You are too kind by half.


67 posted on 02/11/2006 10:01:26 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: stormer

"I see. So I guess everything I know is wrong."

Not really. Not everything is wrong, but some may be.

E.g., do you believe, ie have faith in, evolution? If you do, then that is wrong. Evolution is of the devil's propagation.


68 posted on 02/11/2006 10:04:02 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
"you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?'

[With that as your criteria, you could dismiss all American history that occurred before our lifetimes.]


You could also dismiss all events that occurred during our lifetimes in which we were not participants or witnesses.
69 posted on 02/11/2006 10:04:47 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: TheBrotherhood

**God bless those children!**

Amen to that!

The good and useful things that science can provide, don't need the theory of evolution to be good and useful.

As far as I know, there isn't a supercomputer yet, that can demonstate the incredibly awesome destruction of the great flood (such as, water currents around the world, moving megatons of aggregate faster than the SE Asian tsunami or Mt. St Helen did).

In 30 plus years of farming, I've seen local rivers flood numerous times. We had one field that had a sandy area, receive a gentle flood that placed a few inches of good black organic dirt on top of it. We thought, work that in and it will be productive like the rest of that field. The plan worked....until the next big flood came through, with sufficient velocity to bring not only tons of sand, but rocks as big as baseballs out of the channel. What a mess that was. The trees were easy to cut up and haul away, but the rocks and sand were left. The acreage was not worth the big expense to clean up. Noah's Flood, just staggering to think about.

While Mr. Ham has good questions and research, I usually ask just one to the evolutionist: "Do you have a soul, and if so, how did it evolve?" They will either answer, "No." or, "Yes, but I can't tell you how it would evolve."


70 posted on 02/11/2006 10:06:51 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Coyoteman

Thank you, I try to learn something new everyday.


71 posted on 02/11/2006 10:07:17 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
Could you give us skeptics a few chapters and verses to support your "scientific evidemce in school" that is so empirically compelling in the Defense of Darwinism?
72 posted on 02/11/2006 10:12:13 PM PST by skeptoid (I'm a skeptic <i><b>and</b></i> paranoid.)
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To: Coyoteman

Well?


73 posted on 02/11/2006 10:12:55 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: LiteKeeper

I thought it was more of a general statement rather than a pointed one. However when he said "you say" it could have been better stated "one says"


74 posted on 02/11/2006 10:14:15 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Zuriel
Noah's Flood, just staggering to think about.

Yes. It is. Ever consider exactly how much water it would take to flood the entire earth. Assuming it was possible, were did it go after 40 days? Evaporate overnight? How large would an ark have to be to carry every species on earth...and a food supply for over a month? Did Noah train them to defecate in buckets? How was feeding and sanitary conditions handled with so many animals and so few human passengers? Given that we don't have ships able to withstand such a flood using today's technology, how did Noah build one by hand with trees?

In other words, Noah's Flood is a crock of sh#t that is less believable than the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.

75 posted on 02/11/2006 10:16:03 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Coyoteman

I posted this on another thread but here it is again.

Science can explain everything back to the "Big Bang".
Belief in G-D can only explain the big bang. Creating something out of nothing (the void of space) is a pretty good trick.


76 posted on 02/11/2006 10:16:55 PM PST by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: TheBrotherhood
"E.g., do you believe, ie have faith in, evolution? If you do, then that is wrong. Evolution is of the devil's propagation."

Yes, I do believe in evolution; it is a demonstrable fact. I also believe that descent with modification through genetic drift and selection pressure is sufficiently supported to provide a mechanism that is responsible for this fact. I do not believe I am the spawn of el Diablo.

77 posted on 02/11/2006 10:18:06 PM PST by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Mulch
Is it true that carbon-14 tests have been performed on living animals with results that show them to be thousands of years old?

About ten seconds of internet research would have shown you that carbon-14 dating is only done on dead things, so no, it isn't true.

78 posted on 02/11/2006 10:18:55 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: TheBrotherhood
I swear I didn't click twice. How did that double post happened?

Maybe you have arrived at or found the truth.

79 posted on 02/11/2006 10:19:54 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: stormer

"I do not believe I am the spawn of el Diablo."

I don't think you are either, but evolution is.


80 posted on 02/11/2006 10:20:59 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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