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Professor challenges evolution (Pittsburgh Professor's article in The New Anatomist)
Pittnews.com ^ | 02/09/2006 | NAN AMA SARFO

Posted on 02/10/2006 10:13:29 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: jec41
Simple argument is for those of simple thought. Furthermore argument is of philosophy and would seek to prove or disprove (faith, belief, or the unknown) without evidence, empirical evidence or material fact but by argument, debate, and deduction. Evolution is of science which is composed of facts and evidence. It is a sad day when one would argue his philosophy without knowledge of the differences in philosophy, science and mathematics for only agenda. It is a detriment to self and reveals deficiencies. I see.

So, in your estimation, logical deduction is not only irrelevant, but undesirable, relative to a debating forum, let alone science in general.

As I said, you're just another clueless evolution advocate.

281 posted on 02/11/2006 1:46:39 PM PST by csense
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To: jec41
however it was to demonstrate that thought does not have to be determined by evidence but only faith, belief, and argument for the thought.

Oh. Okay. I think you might better use the example of slavery, or prejudice in our country for that. It is closer to our experience and will consequently be clearer.

282 posted on 02/11/2006 2:29:31 PM PST by AndrewC (National anthem of Darwinism "The politics of dancing".)
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To: csense
So, in your estimation, logical deduction is not only irrelevant, but undesirable, relative to a debating forum, let alone science in general. As I said, you're just another clueless evolution advocate.

Logical deduction is used to prove or disprove one's philosophy. Philosophy also defines what is logical and not logical. Those who would assert opinion by accusation and name calling are only of opinion and logic is not required. It is the agenda of one who seeks to promote self and demote others by vile intent and without capable logic or coherent thought. A opinion-est.

283 posted on 02/11/2006 2:41:44 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: AndrewC
Oh. Okay. I think you might better use the example of slavery, or prejudice in our country for that. It is closer to our experience and will consequently be clearer.

You are correct. To express clarity of thought one should use a example that would be most accepted and not necessarily of one's own education.

284 posted on 02/11/2006 2:52:19 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: edsheppa
...you're actually an atheist because only atheists accept evolution.

Wouldn't that be correctly:

Ajesusistic?

Or Apaulistic?

285 posted on 02/11/2006 5:00:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Only an a priori assumption of infallibility precludes one from choosing the simple and obvious explanation (1).

Or that there are ONLY two choices or that #2 is BIZARRE.

286 posted on 02/11/2006 5:03:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: jec41
Evolution is but change. Incest is prohibited because observably changes can occur. Engaging in interbreeding or incest and having the offspring arrive with six fingers is a observable reality.

I specifically referred to MACRO-evolution. A 6-fingered human is still a human.

287 posted on 02/11/2006 5:27:22 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Elsie
No. The bogus claim is that evolution is atheistic. It's on numerous evo threads.
288 posted on 02/11/2006 5:44:28 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: jec41

"and is proved by the observation that no two of the 6.7 billion people that exist on earth are a exact duplicate"

Did you test each one?


289 posted on 02/11/2006 7:01:01 PM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII
Did you test each one?

If you were on a jury and the prosecutor presented for evidence to prove the identify of the defendant by a eye scan, fingerprints, and DNA would you be the one to say this does not prove identity. Would you insist that everyone be tested because you believe some people have the same fingerprints, eye scan, and DNA and are clones? The testing has already taken place and it has been determined that fingerprints, eye scan, and DNA are unique in each individual and that is a difference. If you could find but a few with the same fingerprints, eye scan, and DNA they would not be used for evidence because the evidence would be refuted. Why would I want to test each one when the evidence for each individual already exists.

290 posted on 02/11/2006 8:21:24 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: edsheppa


If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?


291 posted on 02/12/2006 4:43:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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"6 fingered morons in Genesis" placemark


292 posted on 02/12/2006 7:32:56 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: bobbdobbs
Yet a culture of bacteria grown from a single original cell can be exposed to an anti-biotic. Most die off, but some don't. Their offspring are resistant to the anti-biotic.

All generations should share exactly the same DNA since the have a common single cell "parent."


Not arguing here, but I don't understand this experiment. Are you saying that all (100%) of the original bacteria in the dish have the exact same DNA to begin with?

If you didn't expose them to the antibiotic, would all of the offspring be exactly identical?

Sorry for coming in late and asking questions...
293 posted on 02/12/2006 7:38:59 PM PST by xmission
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To: Ichneumon

"To expand on my earlier response......"

Sorry for the late reply. I just noticed yours yesterday and have been considering your definitions. I know argument from analogy is falacious, but I am not making an argument; just trying to understand your position.

1.I observe that the individual components of the Alpha particle are more massive than the Alpha particle itself.

2.I set up an experiment to test this observation, and my results, as well as that of others, are repeatable.

3.I can even hypothesize this phenomenon with the binding energy equation.

4.From this I can predict the same results for other particles and develop a theory. (The Bohr theory.)

In conclusion, from your point of view, I have proved nothing, because as you say, science doesn't prove anything. And, I haven't developed any theory of origins. I.e., why the two protons that are like charged such that they would repel each other ever came together in the first place. We could both theorize about that. You would probably say that matter is eternal and the universe began with a big bang from nothing. (As reported in a Scientific American magazine the Scientist suggested the nothing weighed about 25 pounds.) On the other hand, I would probably say that the two protons came together as a result of some external force and that the force derived from an intellect that was superior and anterior to us. Again, both theorys based only on the results of our work.

Is that about it?


294 posted on 02/16/2006 7:19:14 AM PST by DX10
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To: Ichneumon
If you mean does it explain all morality, no, because some morality is based not on our biological imperatives, but are the result of culture and/or human thought. But yes, some of our instincts and drives due to our biology shape our notions of morality.

‘Human thought’, according to current science, is ‘ultimately’ void of any intelligent design. IOW, our human intellect and morality is ultimately the result of mindless events that unfolded without reason or purpose. To say ‘culture’ and ‘human thought’ adds to an equation void of design and is mindless says nothing as to how these anomalies actually exist as a result of and within a universe that is lacking any design or intelligence.

295 posted on 02/24/2006 6:19:13 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Badray; smokeyb; GeneralHavoc

It's a 'burgh thing Ping.......


296 posted on 02/24/2006 6:28:15 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: beyond the sea

'burgh thing ping!


297 posted on 02/24/2006 6:28:51 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: andysandmikesmom

fyi


298 posted on 02/24/2006 6:31:25 PM PST by zeeba neighba (Onward into the fog, dear evolutionaries, there's tapioca just ahead!)
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To: AGreatPer
I guessed it would be that wack job Dr. Sternglass that wrote it.

That's a name I haven't heard in LOOONG time!

They trotted him out when I was in highschool, to try to scare all the credulous kiddies into being fearful of nuclear power.

And then in college, I had to suffer through his wife's Freshman English class: "The Individual in a Depersonalized Soceity." Ugh.

299 posted on 02/24/2006 6:38:32 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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