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Dad Says His Son 'Damaged' by Homosexual Indoctrination at State-Sponsored Program
Agape Press ^ | 02.09.04 | Jim Brown

Posted on 02/09/2006 5:36:17 PM PST by Coleus

Two Christian parents say their son was a victim of homosexual indoctrination at the prestigious "Governor's School of North Carolina."

The Governor's School of North Carolina describes itself as "program for intellectually gifted high school students, integrating academic disciplines, the arts, and unique courses." But one North Carolina couple is suffering some after effects of their son's involvement in the program. Jim and Beverly Burrows say after their son attended a Governor's School seminar called "The New Gay Teenager," he began telling them he was unsure of his "sexual orientation."

The parents believe the seminar was intentionally scheduled as the last optional one before classes ended in order to leave a strong, lasting impression on the students and bypass any parental notification about the seminar.

Jim Burrows says he noticed a big difference in his otherwise normal son upon his return from the school.

"He [said he] was thinking now that he perhaps was gay -- and of course I was floored by this [pronouncement] and was, like, 'where did this come from?' This kind of came out of left field," the dad says. After questioning his son for an extended period, Burrows says he discovered the source. "I found out that this was as a result of this seminar."

According to Burrows, his son was instructed by two openly homosexual staff members of the Governor's School to question his sexuality as well as Bible passages that condemn homosexuality. And the students were also encouraged by instructors to start a Gay Straight Alliance club at their schools, he says.

The North Carolina dad explains that his son's subsequent struggle with homosexuality has turned his family upside down. "As far as our family is concerned, the damage has already been done," he laments. "There's no way that we can go back and undo what has been done."

Still, Mr. Burrows feels he needs to warn other parents of the homosexual indoctrination his son encountered at the Governor's School. "[I]f I can keep one other family from having to go through this, then all this trouble has been worthwhile," he says.



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To: scripter

Sorry about that, I saw the the HA pinglist was on that thread after I added it hear. My mistake. I thought it would be good to point out on this thread as it details the secrecy involved with the seminar. Keep up the good work.


401 posted on 02/14/2006 1:00:46 PM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx
I thought it would be good to point out on this thread as it details the secrecy involved with the seminar.

A good point indeed. The secrecy, the stealth, the subtlety is all part of the homosexual agenda, although some here will probably refuse to acknowledge it no matter what.

402 posted on 02/14/2006 1:09:22 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Amelia
That's what I've been saying for 2 days now, so they're accusing me of "helping to promote the homosexual agenda", among other things. Be forewarned.

You've got NEA all over you. That's why you sound like a troll. You're talking their POV, and you are giving zero credit to people who know what they're talking about, who are telling you that there is going to be a huge scandal around GLSEN, and that the dirt is going to get all over SIECUS and the NEA people who've been helping GLSEN, when there's a big kid-abuse scandal.

GLSEN is a fraud. These are homosexual political activists who are -- we are telling you this -- trying to get to the kids. You can't imagine anything so monstrous, but we have read their posts here and elsewhere, and we know what they say to each other when they think nobody's reading their stuff. They are after the boys. Rely on it.

The bad priests were furtive, and fled at the click of a light-switch. These guys are predators, their attitudes are armored by 30 years of homosexual propaganda and backing each other up (and watching liberals squish), and they're going to fight. They're wolverines, and they're going for the boys because they've convinced themselves now that they have a right to make those wobbly teenaged boys catamitize for them, and they've got 5,000 years of revenge to work on the het breeders they fear and despise.

Capiche? Is any of this beginning to dawn on you?

403 posted on 02/15/2006 5:12:52 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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From the Governor's School website:

Each year, each campus of Governor's Indoctrination School invites "distinguished academics and artists" to speak to the student body. These speakers represent the most current work and debates in their arena of ideas. Governor's School wants to challenge its students and provoke thoughtful conversation within the Governor's School community.

Here are sample speakers from Governor's School East's "Convocations" series in recent years. Several of these speakers have also presented at Governor's School West's Speakers Series.


From Publisher's Weekly:

"[Kimball] contends that there are five warning signs that we can recognize when religion moves toward [evil]. Whenever a religion emphasizes that it holds the absolute truth-the one path to God or the only correct way of reading a sacred text-to the exclusion of the truth claims of all other religions and cultures, that religion is becoming evil. Other warning signs include blind obedience to religious leaders, apocalyptic belief that the end time will occur through a particular religion, the use of malevolent ends to achieve religious goals (e.g., the Crusades) and the declaration of holy war."

( Kimball, BTW, served as the director of the Middle East office of the National Council of Churches)



Collection Plates for Communism--The National Council of Churches
Frontpagemagazine/discoverthenetwork ^ | 2-22-05 | DiscoverTheNetwork.org

Posted on 02/22/2005 7:42:56 AM EST by SJackson

The National Council of Churches has a long history of supporting Communist causes -- and condemning the United States and Israel.

NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES

475 Riverside Drive
Suite 880
New York, NY
10115

Phone :212-870-2227
URL :http://www.ncccusa.org/

    National Council of Churches's Visual Map


  • Largest coalition of leftwing religious denominations in the United States
  • Has long record of financial support for Communist regimes
  • Remains faithful ally of Communist Cuba 
  • Reserves criticism on moral issues for Israel and the United States
  • Makes common cause with environmentalist radicals
  • Masks leftist politics in faith-based declarations


 

Earlier this month, the National Council of Churches condemned Israel – a nation plagued in recent years by an epidemic of Palestinian suicide bombings aimed at civilians – for having “established hundreds upon hundreds of checkpoints, roadblocks, and gates across the Occupied Territories, making daily life and travel extremely difficult for ordinary Palestinians.” Proclaiming that “[s]tereotypes of all Palestinians as terrorists must be broken,” the Council explained that “[t]he crushing burden of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory contributes to deep anger and violent resistance, which contributes to fear throughout Israeli society.” The Council lamented that while “[a]t least half of the Palestinian people live in poverty, . . . too many Israelis have little or no knowledge of the human rights abuses experienced by Palestinians.”

In making the these statements, t
he National Council of Churches offered neither social nor historical context. For example, it did not mention that fully 70 percent of Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza approve of the murder of Jews via suicide bombings; that there is no trace of an Arab peace movement urging the cessation of such terror attacks (a stark contrast to Israel, where the movement demanding concessions to Arabs in the name of peace is a formidable political force); that Palestinians in Israel enjoy more civil and human rights than their counterparts in any Arab nation on earth; that Israel came to occupy the West Bank and Gaza not as a result of expansionist impulses, but rather because of its victory in the 1967 war that was ignited when Israel was attacked by Egypt, Syria and Jordan; that in 1973, yet another coalition of Arab armies attacked Israel and were defeated; and that when Egypt (the spearhead of that 1973 assault) became the lone nation to agree to a formal peace with Israel, it was rewarded by Israel with the return of the entire captured Sinai with all its oil riches.  

The foregoing facts notwithstanding, the National Council of Churches betrays no recognition of the fact that Israel has demonstrated a remarkable willingness to negotiate peace with, and relinquish land to, even defeated aggressors who have previously demonstrated a burning desire to destroy the Jewish state. “[I]t is clear,” maintains the Council, that “the overriding problem is Israel’s continuing occupation of Palestinian territory.” The Council’s critical stance on Israel is mirrored by its history of consistently opposing U.S. policies as well. These two nations are singled out for rebuke by the Council with greater frequency than any others.   

Since its founding in 1950, the New York City-based National Council of Churches (NCC) has remained faithful to the legacy of its predecessor, the Communist front-group known as the Federal Council of Churches, which the NCC absorbed in 1950. At one time an unabashed apostle of the Communist cause, the NCC has today recast itself as a leading representative of the so-called religious Left. Adhering to what it has described as “liberation theology”—that is, Marxist ideology disguised as Christianity—the NCC lays claim to a membership of 36 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox Christian denominations, and some 50 million members in over 140,000 congregations. 

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the NCC has soft-pedaled its radical message, dressing up its demands for global collectivization and its rejection of democratic capitalism in the garb of religious teachings. Yet the organization’s history suggests that it was—and remains—a devout backer of a gallery of socialist governments. In the 1950s and 1960s, under cover of charity, the NCC provided financial succor to the Communist regimes in Yugoslavia and Poland, funneling money to both through its relief agency, the Church World Service. In the 1970s, working with its Geneva-based parent organization, the World Council of Churches, the NCC supplied financial support for Soviet-sponsored incursions into Africa, aiding the terrorist rampages of Communist guerrillas in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Mozambique, and Angola. 

As one of the leading contributors to the Program to Combat Racism (a program created in 1939 by the NCC-parent group, the World Council of Churches, and discontinued in 1996), the NCC played a central role in subsidizing revolutionary Communist movements in the Third World. Sensitive to the controversy which over the years has enveloped the Program to Combat Racism (PCR), the WCC has consistently declined to divulge both the contributors to, and the recipients of, the program. The WCC has gone so far as to establish an independent budget, the Special Fund to Combat Racism, in order to conceal details about the funding of the program. Despite these efforts, the WCC has not been entirely successful in obscuring the PCR’s paper trail. An August 1982 report by Reader’s Digest revealed that during the 1970s the PCR disbursed over $5 million to some 130 organizations in 30 countries. While the WCC held fast to the claim that the funds were directed solely toward those organizations dedicated to fighting racism, the facts suggested otherwise. According to the Reader’s Digest report, more than half of the money that went to the PCR wound up in the hands of Communist guerrillas. The report further traced PCR funds to a series of Communist rampages in Africa. During the 1970s, over $78,000 went to Cuba’s Soviet-sponsored MPLA to foment Communist revolution in Angola; some $120,000 went to the Marxist FRELIMO in Mozambique; and another $832,000 to Namibia’s Communist regime, the SWAPO; another grant, for $108,000, was funneled to the Patriotic Front in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), a Communist guerrilla force whose campaign of indiscriminate terror claimed the lives of 207 white civilians, 1,721 blacks, and nine missionaries as well as their children. In the face of this grim evidence, PCR administratorsmany of whom were culled from the ranks of the NCC—continued to push the line that, rather than bankrolling Communist death squads, the organization was simply supporting “liberation movements.” From this position the WCC has never wavered. In an archival overview of the PRC, published in 2004, the WCC dusted off its claim that “the main aim of the PCR is to define, propose and carry out ecumenical policies and programs that substantially contribute to the liberation of the victims of racism.”

Other beneficiaries of the NCC’s leftist philanthropy included El Salvador’s Sandinista guerrillas. Using the Evangelical Committee for Aid to Development (CEPAD), an organization established to distribute the charity donations collected by U.S. churches in Latin America—and whose leadership openly professed solidarity with the Sandinistas’ Marxist aims—the NCC made common cause with the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, contributing nearly $400,000 to the Sandinista Party between 1981 and 1983. Documents seized from El Salvador’s guerrillas in 1983 revealed yet another Communist group on the take from the NCC’s collection plate.

Another of the NCC’s leftist faith-based initiatives is support for Communist Cuba. Having pushed for the United States to normalize relations with the Castro regime since 1968, the NCC throughout the Cold War pressed its considerable authority on moral issues into the service of whitewashing the hard-line regime’s record of oppression. In 1977, after heading a delegation of American church officials to Cuba, the Methodist bishop James Armstrong, who would be elected NCC president the following year, issued a report that may justifiably be described as supportive of the murderous dictatorship. “There is a significant difference,” Armstrong insisted, “between situations where people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to perpetuate inequities, as in Chile and Brazil, for example, and situations were people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to remove inequities, as in Cuba.” 

On the rare occasions that the NCC was unforthcoming with a public rationalization for Communist repression, it communicated its support through silence. For example, despite its oft-declared commitment to human rights, the NCC could find little to say about the ascension to power of Ethiopia’s Marxist government, which left 10,000 dead and shuttered 200 churches. Likewise, on the matter of the Soviet Union’s 1978 invasion of Afghanistan, the NCC kept conspicuously mum.

Not until the Soviet Union’s collapse did the NCC see it fit to weigh in on the subject of Communist oppression. In 1993, Joan Brown Campbell, a former NCC General Secretary, made a striking admission. Acknowledging that the NCC had failed to challenge the brutality of Communist rule, she explained, “We did not understand the depth of the suffering of Christians under Communism. And we failed to really cry out under the Communist oppression.”

Campbell’s comments, however, did not prompt the NCC to withdraw its support for Communist totalitarianism. On the contrary, to this day the NCC remains an unwavering ally of the Cuban government. Still pressing for the lifting of the U.S. trade embargo on Cuba, the NCC continues to evince scant concern for the plight of victims of the Castro regime. On occasion, the NCC has even turned against them. No sooner had the NCC used its charity arm, the Church World Service, to establish a Cuban Refugee Emergency Center in Miami, than it soured on the center. The reason was that Cuban refugees had regularly denounced the Cuban government—an outcry that was intolerable to the NCC’s Castro-friendly executives. Kenneth Lloyd, the author of a history of the NCC called From Mainline to Sideline: The Social Witness of the National Council of Churches, noted that one NCC declaration condemned the anti-Castro recriminations of the refugees because they
“abetted our government’s effort to discredit Cuba” and “encouraged humanitarian sentiment that generated hostile attitudes toward Cuba among U.S. congregations.” 

In January of 2000, eager to affirm its Castroite sympathies, the NCC forced itself into the controversy over the fate of Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez, becoming one of the loudest voices demanding that the boy be sent back to Cuba. Most recently, in January of 2004, the NCC dispatched a delegation of church leaders to Cuba for a six-day visit. NCC spokesmen claimed that, in addition to paying a visit to Havana churches, the delegates intended to discuss with Castro himself the fate of 75 political prisoners jailed by the dictator in 2003. But if an NCC statement was any indication, the delegates had no intention of seriously pressing for the prisoners’ release. The NCC’s only bone of contention was, “We find [their] sentences excessive.” 

This should not be taken to mean that the NCC has been wholly silent on the issue of human rights. The organization continues to issue press releases decrying abhorrent human rights conditions around the world. However, the countries that the NCC chooses to single out for opprobrium evidence the extent to which the organization’s religious mission has been corrupted by its radical leftist politics. One study, conducted by the Institute of Religion and Democracy in September 2004, found that “of the seven human rights criticisms it issued from 2000-2003, Israel received four, the United States two, and Sudan one.” Moreover, the study noted, “Fully 80 percent of the NCC resolutions targeting foreign nations for human rights abuses were aimed at Israel.”

The NCC’s programmatic opposition to U.S. foreign policy is another manifestation of its deep-rooted leftist politics. Taking refuge in the counsel of the New Testament —  “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” (Matthew 5:9) — the NCC has repeatedly condemned U.S. military interventions. In 1991, the NCC played a central role in The Return of the Peace Movement, a coalition of leftwing religious groups arrayed against the first Gulf war, when American forces repulsed the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. At that time, the leaders of 32 NCC churches announced that the risk of military intervention was “out of proportion to any conceivable gain.” 

The NCC’s assessment of the second Gulf War was identical. In January of 2003, the NCC’s current president, the Methodist preacher Bishop Thomas L. Hoyt, Jr., joined 46 other religious leaders in signing a letter to President Bush. The letter expressed the signatories’ “continuing uneasiness about the moral justification for war on Iraq,” and suggested that the President accord them the “opportunity to bring this message to you in person.” Citing scheduling conflicts, Mr. Bush, through a spokesman, politely declined. Having failed to thwart U.S. military intervention, the NCC did not reconsider its reflexive opposition to U.S. policy following the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime. Rejecting the notion that America could play the role of a post-war peacemaker, the NCC, in May of 2004, issued yet another letter (which it encouraged member pastors to read to their congregations) urging the U.S. to abdicate authority in Iraq in favor of the United Nations. “We would ask that members of our churches, as they feel appropriate, contact their respective congressional delegations to urge the U.S. to change course in Iraq,” the letter noted. The NCC is a member organization of the Win Without War and United for Peace and Justice anti-war coalitions. 

Even as it has traduced U.S. foreign policy, the NCC has continuously injected itself into debates on domestic policy. Here, again, the NCC’s strategy involves veiling its leftwing politics in expressions of religious faith. On more than a few occasions, the NCC has preached the gospel of environmentalism. In 2002, the NCC was a party to an environmentalist campaign against the automobile industry. This campaign — called “What would Jesus drive?” — exhorted car manufactures to embrace stricter emissions standards. It was engineered by the Evangelical Environmental Network, a coalition of left-leaning religious groups that views “‘environmental’ problems as fundamentally spiritual problems.” 

The NCC also levied an opposition campaign against the Bush administration’s environmental initiative, the Clean Air Act. In an ad placed in The New York Times, the NCC framed its agenda in the language of a concerned moral appeal. Wrote the NCC leadership, “In a spirit of shared faith and respect, we feel called to express grave moral concern about your ‘Clear Skies’ initiative—which we believe is the Administration’s continuous effort to weaken critical environmental standards to protect God’s creation.” Nor was this the first time that the NCC employed such tactics. While proclaiming the virtues of the Kyoto protocol in 1998, the NCC’s then-General Secretary, Rev. Joan Brown Campbell, insisted that an acceptance of the (radical) environmentalist movement’s assertions about global warming ought to be made a “litmus test for the faith community.”

The NCC has also expressed concern that the Patriot Act constitutes a trampling on the civil liberties of those living in America, whether they live there legally or illegally. “We believe it is time for us to stop and think about where we should draw the line in our search for security,” said the NCC in 2004. “The 2004 Social Justice Sunday [September 26] theme invites us to consider this issue as a critical point in our history. . . . Only a self-obsessed society pursues security at all costs.”

Recently, some prominent religious figures have voiced concerns that the NCC is less a spiritual than a political organization, less concerned with ministering to the souls of its parishioners than with shaping a future that is in concordance with its leftist agenda. Mark Tooley, a director at the Institute on Religion and Democracy, has taken the NCC to task for positioning itself as an impartial religious group. “We do not think the NCC is impartial. They have been openly sympathetic to the Cuban government for many years,” Tooley told the Washington Times in January 2000. The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, a former Lutheran minister and now editor of the Catholic journal First Things, has observed that 50 years of rigid adherence to leftwing orthodoxy has taken its toll on the NCC. “The NCC is a shadow of what it once was,” Neuhaus has said. “It has been sidelined. Its 50th anniversary was more of a requiem than a celebration. It has lost the confidence of its membership.” 

Complicating the NCC’s situation is its history of financial mismanagement. While doling out hundreds of thousands of dollars in support of various leftist causes, the NCC been saddled with fiscal woes. The organization’s leadership has long spent beyond its means, and in 1998 the NCC found itself facing a deficit of $1.5 million. In 1999, NCC expenses exceeded total revenues by some $4 million. These budgetary shortfalls have compelled the NCC to appeal to its member denominations—seven of which account for 90 percent of the NCC’s budget—to step up their contributions. For instance, in 1999 the NCC requested that its chief sponsor, the United Methodist Church, increase its yearly contribution of $2.5 million by an additional $700,000.

Despite such stopgap measures, the NCC has proved incapable of reining in spending. In 2002, records showed that the NCC continued to spend 30 percent more than it received, with the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church USA responsible for 64 percent of NCC revenues. The support of the United Methodist Church is of particular importance to the NCC. According to the 2004 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches, a chronicle of church membership published by the NCC and edited by the NCC Deputy General Secretary for Research and Planning, Rev. Dr. Eileen W. Lindner, the United Methodist Church has recently experienced small declines in membership. That sets it apart from other NCC member churches. Partially as a consequence of growing dissatisfaction with the radical agenda espoused by the NCC’s leadership, many of these churches have suffered a precipitous decline in their membership.

The NCC endorsed the Million Mom March, a May 2000 anti-gun rally in Washington, DC that drew some 750,000 participants and has since evolved into a national organization with the same name. Today Million Mom March is a member group of America Votes, a national coalition of 33 grassroots, get-out-the-vote organizations. America Votes is one of the seven groups forming the administrative core of the Democrat Shadow Party. Its get-out-the-vote efforts and those of NCC target likely Democratic voters, such as swing voters (working women and young people) and Democrat base voters (especially blacks and Hispanics). Among the causes America Votes promotes are environmental extremism, unregulated immigration (Open Borders), and the leftwing agendas of the teachers’ unions. By contrast, it opposes the Patriot Act and gun ownership rights. The coalition’s most pressing objective in 2004 was to defeat George W. Bush in the Presidential election. These are ideals to which NCC similarly subscribes.

The NCC was also a signatory – along with more than 120 other leftwing organizations – to a 2000 campaign to increase the minimum wage.

Compensating somewhat for its sagging private donations of recent years, the NCC has received some funding from a handful of foundations, including: $100,000 from the Ford Foundation in 2000; $149,400 from the Annie E. Casey Foundation in 2000-20001; $150,000 from the Beldon Fund in 2001; $500,000 from the Lilly Endowment in 2002; $50,000 from the Rasmussen Foundation in 2003; and $75,000 from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund in 2003.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1348488/posts

404 posted on 02/15/2006 7:46:21 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: thehumanlynx
Not trying to start arguing with you all over again but its interesting to note that the seminar was not scheduled prior to the start of the school, and there was no other competing seminar to attend that day.

That is pretty interesting. I wonder what was on the agenda before they decided to schedule that seminar?

405 posted on 02/15/2006 6:31:24 PM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Capiche? Is any of this beginning to dawn on you?

Get back with me when you lose the obnoxious & self-righteous attitude.

406 posted on 02/15/2006 6:33:57 PM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
There was a list on that other thread of all the speakers. Check it out. The thing I thought you would be interested in is the fact that the seminar wasnt posted. And again, I still believe that the effect of the content of the summer culminated with the seminar and made this kid question. There is another thread linked (either in this thread, or the thread i pointed out earlier) about a kid that committed suicide after these schools. Read his mothers account of his attitudes and his journal entries. Sad stuff.

Hope you had a good Vday.

407 posted on 02/15/2006 8:22:15 PM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx
The thing I thought you would be interested in is the fact that the seminar wasnt posted.

I do find that very interesting, and it does destroy half my argument.

As I think I said before we found that out, some of the seminars listed looked as though they might cause concern for conservative Christian parents anyway. Pretty eclectic (and in some cases, weird) bunch of topics.

Hope you had a good Vday.

Thanks! I hope you did as well!

408 posted on 02/16/2006 3:04:06 AM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: thehumanlynx

This seminar is very suspect in my mind. Or at least the agenda of those who allowed the seminar and of those who gave the seminar, definitely. My brothers wife home schools. When he first told me I didn't understand why. After everything they told me and now this, I can see why they chose the home school path.


409 posted on 02/16/2006 7:10:52 AM PST by Penni
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To: Coleus
Late comer to this thread. It sounds almost like sexual harassment? Not in the physical sense, but suggestive?

I question if they could get away with anything like this at a work place, so why a school?

410 posted on 02/16/2006 7:20:36 AM PST by kstewskis (Buy Danish!)
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To: Amelia

I was just curious to know what the other half of your argument was.

From the sound of the seminars I think more than Christian conservatives parents should be concerned. I'm not a parent and I'm concerned. Many would call me non-Christian as well.


411 posted on 02/16/2006 7:29:15 AM PST by Penni
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To: kstewskis; Penni
You guys got in late, go back and read some of the other posts if you have time.

Basically there were 2 sides:
1) Those who thought the kid was gay anyway and the parents should have checked what was going on in the school.
2) Those who thought that the school was indoctrinating the kids with the ideas of acceptance, tolerance, Love is love no matter the sex, and hordes of other left wing drivel. As such, the kid was likely to have been more likely to attend the seminar at the end of the semester because his morality had been broken down throughout the summer through the constant rampage on the sensibilities of the students.

I am obviously in the 2nd camp. If you read some other accounts of the schools you will find that children with a belief in God were buffooned and shouted down.

The most telling thing for me was that the book that the seminar was modeled after was designed to make children question their sexuality... and I have to think that the 2 gay teachers were interested in promoting that mindset of confusion throughout the semester.

412 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:45 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx
I am obviously in the 2nd camp. If you read some other accounts of the schools you will find that children with a belief in God were buffooned and shouted down.

Thanks for the recap. I cruised through a few of the posts. I agree. This is a problem in many campuses, be it Evangelical or Catholic Christian campuses. Those who speak out against it are automatically labeled "bigots."

It appears that there is an not so subtle agenda to twist biblical teachings into the untruth by these gay activists.

It also seems that they are using the classic "weapon" of doubt and deception over their sexuality in these so called "seminars," does it not? The message might sound new to the students, but the manner in which is delivered is ancient.

413 posted on 02/16/2006 7:50:59 AM PST by kstewskis (Buy Danish!)
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To: Amelia
Get back with me when you lose the obnoxious & self-righteous attitude.

Attitude, yourself.

I haven't molested any kids: how "self-righteous" is that? How "righteous" do I need to be, lady?

And how many homosexual men can you say the same thing about? Careful -- how well do you know them? How much do you know about their sex lives? Remember Rock Hudson before you answer. He was a constant consumer of underage boys during the best part of his acting career -- this from his former agent, who knew.

414 posted on 02/16/2006 8:00:51 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Amelia
And by the way, the substance of my argument is untouched by any complaint from you about tonality or delivery.

Try to dismiss me, and I'll be all over you like white on rice. I've played these games with your liberal buddies on Salon, and they're a lot better at sounding hurt and offended than you are.

415 posted on 02/16/2006 8:09:35 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kstewskis
Doubt. Exactly.

Talk to people about being gay, being tolerant, being accepting, being openminded, then have a speech about a persons personal experience with being gay and how he was hurt by everyone else and then immediately ask the kids if theyve thought about being gay.. Well you have been screaming it into their head for 4 weeks so yeah, theyve thought about it.

Now they say, "if youve thought you might be gay, there is a good chance you are at least bi, and that is good, because there is nothing wrong with it"

Cast a seed of doubt in them then cultivate it at every oppurtunity.. Its sickening.

416 posted on 02/16/2006 8:13:33 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: kstewskis
Also, not only are you a bigot if you dont want to watch a gaythemed movie. But you are also suffering from the mental illness of homophobia.

It was pointed out at FR that it should be labeled homoaversion, b/c I have not run into a gay dude that I have ever been afraid of, I had an aversion to him yes, but frightened, not in the least.

If you call it like you see it then you are a hateful bigot.

417 posted on 02/16/2006 8:15:45 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx; lentulusgracchus; Amelia
When you read something similar to:
"Psychology, psychiatry, and social work have been captured by an ultra-liberal agenda"

"Misguided political correctness tethers our intellects"

"If psychology is to soar like an eagle, it needs both a left wing and a right wing."

You might think a radical, right-wing, fanatical conservative wrote it. But you would be wrong. Read the very interesting reviews here:

Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm (NARTH)
Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm (Division42.org)

It's long past time we returned to common sense on the issue of homosexuality, especially in regards to children.

418 posted on 02/16/2006 8:19:45 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

Good read, glad to see that members of the APA are standing up and speaking out about the lunacy that is abundant.


419 posted on 02/16/2006 9:04:01 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx
Cast a seed of doubt in them then cultivate it at every oppurtunity.. Its sickening.

And evil.

(how "bigoted" of me, lol)

420 posted on 02/16/2006 9:04:45 AM PST by kstewskis (Buy Danish!)
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