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Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row - photos included
bbc ^ | 7 February 2006 | Rachel Harvey

Posted on 02/09/2006 12:31:08 PM PST by dennisw

A man reads an Indonesian tabloid with scantily-dressed women pictured on the cover
New laws would make it an offence to show 'sensual body parts'
(Did porn turn this guy cross eyed?)

 

Indonesian Muslim protesters shout slogans during an anti-pornography rally in Jakarta
The issue is where to draw the line on decency

  A Muslim protester displays a defaced Playboy logo during an anti-pornography rally in Jakarta

Indonesian Muslims are angered by plans for a local edition of Playboy

Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row
By Rachel Harvey
BBC News, Jakarta


Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population, is caught up in a growing debate about pornography.

News that the raunchy Playboy magazine has signed a deal to produce a local edition has fuelled the controversy.

Parliament is expected to pass a new anti-pornography bill by the middle of this year but the draft legislation is proving divisive.

A series of demonstrations has taken place in the capital, Jakarta, in support of the tightening of the laws.

The head of the parliamentary committee which drafted the new legislation, Balkan Kaplale, said Indonesia was in a state of moral decline. "These are Indonesian magazines," Mr Kaplale said, spreading a selection of pornographic tabloids across the table.

"It is terrible, our poor country. We are a religious people but now Indonesia is third worst in the world for porn after Scandinavia and Russia.

"It is so easily available and it is going unchecked. That is why we need this law," he said.

Booming trade

In a narrow, busy alleyway in Jakarta's Chinatown, there are stalls selling pirated DVDs.

In front of most of the stalls there is a cardboard box where the pornographic films are kept.

The DVDs are openly displayed - it is pretty graphic stuff.

Few people in Indonesia would argue against the need to control the sale of such material. And yet the proposed anti-pornography bill has come up against strong opposition.

The draft document includes articles which would make it an offence to show what it calls sensual body parts, including the navel, hips and thighs.

Those found guilty of breaking the law could face a two-year jail sentence.

Drawing the line

Husna Mulya, a women's rights activist, said the anti-pornography law had been hijacked by groups pushing a hardline conservative agenda.

"The people behind this are using religious values to make their argument, especially Muslim groups. It is not stated in the bill, but the standard being used is the standard of Sharia law.

"They say people are not dressing in line with Indonesian culture. But the fashion in Indonesia now is to wear trousers that are tight around the hips, and even traditional clothes are often designed to show off a woman's breasts," she said.

And it is not just women who are worried.

The artistic lobby is up in arms as well. The draft bill would make it illegal to record anything which portrays erotic dancing, or kissing on the lips. It would mean ground-breaking Indonesian films such as Arisan would be banned.

Arisan is a humorous take on the life of wealthy, 30-something Jakartans which addresses traditionally taboo subjects like adultery and homosexuality.

The screenplay was written by one of Indonesia's leading film critics, Joko Anwar.

He said the anti-pornography bill was a dangerous and unnecessary form of artistic censorship that would hamper filmmakers' creativity.

"We are not going to make some very graphic sexual scenes because we know that it wouldn't be accepted by an Indonesian audience.

"We already have that filter ourselves so I don't think it needs to be put into law. It's not democracy. It's not about pornography, it's your freedom to express yourself," he said.

This is the crux of the current argument. How far should such freedoms be extended?

The consensus in parliament is such that the anti-pornography bill will almost certainly be passed.

The question then becomes how it will be interpreted and enforced by a notoriously corrupt legal system.

But it is perhaps an encouraging sign of Indonesia's growing democratic maturity that a piece of draft legislation is being debated in public at all.

 



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KEYWORDS: indonesia; islam; muslims; playboy
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To: Skooz

Just a simple observation. Nothing more. Nothing less.


61 posted on 02/09/2006 2:13:29 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Jim Noble
Works for me.

It would also solve certain problems, like what to do with nuclear waste and urban refuse and stuff.

Shalom.

62 posted on 02/09/2006 2:16:11 PM PST by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

A simple observation made over and over.

Please, let us have some more of your morally relativistic superiority. It never gets old. Really.

And, compare again those who dare disagree with you to the Taliban. And then maybe you can point us to the mass graves?


63 posted on 02/09/2006 2:17:40 PM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: dennisw; Dashing Dasher
Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row

I used to have my hair in porn rows but one spark from a Playboy and they would go up in flames.

64 posted on 02/09/2006 2:19:38 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: dennisw

Much as I believe Playboy magazine is a negative influence on our culture, I have to wonder..why are the women who actively protest pornography always so hideously unattractive?


65 posted on 02/09/2006 2:21:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dennisw
SEPERATED AT BIRTH?


66 posted on 02/09/2006 2:24:46 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Happy Fierce Allegiance Day!)
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To: Dashing Dasher

Could be. :)


67 posted on 02/09/2006 2:29:11 PM PST by trisham (Happy Fierce Allegiance Day!)
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To: trisham

Anti-Playboy??? Another reason to fear Islamofascists...


68 posted on 02/09/2006 2:33:23 PM PST by gman992
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To: trisham

Anti-Playboy??? Another reason to fear Islamofascists...ps. I read that the centerfolds aren't even nude...


69 posted on 02/09/2006 2:33:45 PM PST by gman992
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To: dennisw

I read the article for the content, not for the pictures.


70 posted on 02/09/2006 2:37:51 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: dennisw
Exploiting American culture, and yes that includes Playboy, to Muslim countries is the best way to break down the hold of the radical Islamists.
71 posted on 02/09/2006 2:40:45 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Despite Popular Opinion, Tom Tancredo Does Not Support Deporting Illegal Aliens.)
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To: kpp_kpp

that is funny. they have a web site listed but nothing there.


73 posted on 02/09/2006 4:33:42 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Skooz
And I'll continue to make that simple observation.

Should you find offense in it, you're more than welcome to refrain from reading my posts and replies. See, it's really that simple.

If something offends your pristine sensibilities, avoid it. It's ridiculously simple if you try.

And I wouldn't dream of calling my detractors and those who attack me as Taliban like. I just described their tactics in shall we say colorful terms? Hmmm? But maybe in some special cases, I should be a little more direct when calling out hypocrisy.

Mass graves indeed! Now who's throwing the rhetorical histrionics?
74 posted on 02/09/2006 9:21:51 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
And I'll continue to make that simple observation.

Ride that horse until it drops, bro'.

Should you find offense in it, you're more than welcome to refrain from reading my posts and replies. See, it's really that simple.

Oh, that's hilarious, coming from someone who so gets his panties in a wad about what others might say about their aversion to porn (which makes the Taliban, doncha' know) that he has to preemptively respond to nonexistent posts, just knowing they are out there watching. Hilarious.

If something offends your pristine sensibilities, avoid it.

Might want to try that yourself. Or is the irony lost on you?

And I wouldn't dream of calling my detractors and those who attack me as Taliban like.

That is precisely what you did in post 54.

I just described their tactics in shall we say colorful terms?

By comparing directly with the Taliban. OK.

But maybe in some special cases, I should be a little more direct when calling out hypocrisy.

Again, I have no doubt the irony of your statement is completely lost on you.

75 posted on 02/10/2006 2:35:29 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

I get ya :)


76 posted on 02/10/2006 4:37:36 AM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: Skooz

Exactly.


77 posted on 02/10/2006 9:19:33 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
LOL!
Have a great weekend.

I leave with with a sentiment I am sure we agree on.

mr youse needn't be so spry
concernin questions arty

each has his tastes but as for i
i likes a certain party

gimme the he-man's solid bliss
for youse ideas i'll match youse

a pretty girl who naked is
is worth a million statues

ee cummings

78 posted on 02/10/2006 11:25:13 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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