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Battle Lines Drawn in Net Neutrality Debate
yahoo ^ | Wed Feb 8 2006 | Jay Wrolstad

Posted on 02/08/2006 8:50:28 PM PST by crushelits

The debate over controlling access to the Internet took center stage in the U.S. Senate this week during a hearing that focused on "network neutrality" and possible new legislation that advocates say would protect the Internet from being fractured by special interests.

The crux of the issue is a growing interest among telecom and cable companies, including AT&T and Comcast, which are the primary broadband service providers in the U.S., to charge content and service providers, such as Google, Yahoo, and Vonage, for use of those high-speed networks.

At a hearing held Tuesday by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, Walter B. McCormick Jr., president and CEO of the U.S. Telecom Association, told lawmakers that the future of the Internet requires a multi-billion-dollar investment in advanced broadband networks.

"Businesses that seek to profit on the use of next-generation networks should not be free of all costs associated with the increased capacity that is required for delivery of the advanced services and applications they seek to market," he said.

"Regulatory or legislative solutions wholly without justification in marketplace activities would stifle, not enhance, the Internet," he argued.

Discrimination Charged

But Vinton Cerf, a vice president at Google and a noted Internet pioneer, argued that allowing broadband carriers to control Web access would undermine the basic principles of an open Internet.

"Enshrining a rule that permits carriers to discriminate in favor of certain kinds or sources of services would place those carriers in control of online activity," he told committee members. "We firmly believe that carriers will be able to set market prices for Internet access and be well-paid for their investments, as broadband carriers in other countries have successfully done."

Opinion is divided on Capitol Hill, with some lawmakers supporting a return on infrastructure investments and exhibiting reluctance to pass legislation inhibiting the carriers' business, while others favor a law that would prohibit what they see as discriminatory practices by network operators.

Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) argued at the hearing that special interests want to expand their control over Internet access to the world of content. "Some of these cable and phone companies are ... saying that, instead of making available to everyone the same content at the same price, they want to set up sweetheart arrangements to play favorites," he said.

Spirit of the Internet

Also pushing network-neutrality legislation is the Consumer Federation of America (CFA), which contends that requiring Internet companies to pay for high-speed Internet not only would result in higher access fees for consumers but also would stifle both innovation and competition.

"The telecoms and cable operators are trying to legitimize discriminatory business models in which they charge fees to ISPs and applications developers," said Mark Cooper, director of research at the CFA.

Cooper contends that the key to the success of the Internet is open, unfettered access to the content provided. "When the carriers say they will charge Google for access to 'their network,' they are trying to take Google's business. Google, and others, in turn will pass those charges on to Internet users," he said.

A recent poll conducted by the CFA, Consumers Union, and The Free Press found some 75 percent of Internet users are "seriously concerned" about not being able to choose an Internet service provider freely and being required to pay twice for certain Internet services. Another 70 percent were concerned about providers blocking or impairing their access to Internet services or sites, such as VoIP service or online retailers.

Fifty-four percent want Congress to take action to ensure that Internet providers are prohibited from engaging in these practices. "The public clearly understands the importance of open, nondiscriminatory access to the Internet from network owners," Cooper said.


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1 posted on 02/08/2006 8:50:30 PM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Can't they ever leave ANYTHING alone?


2 posted on 02/08/2006 8:53:06 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Nope, not when it involves money to be made or taxes to be levied.


3 posted on 02/08/2006 8:56:10 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: crushelits
"Businesses that seek to profit on the use of next-generation networks should not be free of all costs associated with the increased capacity that is required for delivery of the advanced services and applications they seek to market," he said.

Aren't R&D costs built into the fees that the providers charge? What, now they want to try and tell us that this cost isn't being added into their charges? Do they believe their consumers are that stupid? This is what happens when there is too much governmental interference in business. The companies start to think they can use the government to further their own greedy designs.
4 posted on 02/08/2006 8:58:30 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
They should keep their noses of the Internet. Nobody told them to invest (Comcast & ATT) in it. The want to control access and set prices like they do now.
5 posted on 02/08/2006 8:59:25 PM PST by crushelits
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To: The Worthless Miracle
Politicians are desperate to turn the internet into MSM/Old Media.

They - and businesses too - want only a controlled marketing platform, a cross between Rolling Stone magazine and Dan Rather journalism.

6 posted on 02/08/2006 9:04:47 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: headstamp
The internet is moving, therefore it needs to be taxed and regulated.

It does not need to be subsidized yet.

7 posted on 02/08/2006 9:15:12 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: crushelits

Consider an analogy. Assume, back in the 1920's that automobile companies argued that since railroads already had their rails laid, all automobiles regardless of quantity, should be shipped at a fixed cost. It would have been a great business model for the auto industry.

Basically, the Googles and Yahoos of the world have chanced upon a business model where they can ship as much of their product to their customers as they can, but the shipper can only charge them a fixed fee.

If the shipper (telecom backbone providers) has to increase capacity to handle the increased traffic, then tough. But the Googles and Yahoos can sell as many ads as they want, knowing that the next ad can be sent to their customers without a marginal cost. All fixed costs of increased traffic fall on the telecoms without compensation. It's a great business model for Google, but a little shortsighted for the internet.


8 posted on 02/08/2006 9:19:58 PM PST by mike70
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To: mike70

But to complete the analogy, the dealers would be paying according to the rate at which automobiles were being unloaded off the railroad cars. You pay one rate for 10 cars a day, another for 100, etc. Also the fuel on the cross country portion of the hauls would have to be virtually free to the railroads.


9 posted on 02/08/2006 9:24:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mike70
"All fixed costs of increased traffic fall on the telecoms without compensation."

If the people who are paying for the bandwidth don't want to pay more for increasing it, and it isn't profitable for the telecoms to increase it without charging more, then it won't be increased and shouldn't be increased because there is not enough demand for it to justify the cost.

The free market is handling this just fine right now; letting any of the companies involved stack the deck with g'vmt help is just going to make things worse for the consumer in the end.
10 posted on 02/08/2006 9:38:53 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Tom Brokaw already mentioned something like this when the Internet was in its infancy. Talked about "gatekeepers" to filter the news.

I predict when the 2008 campaign gets underway, Democrats and the MSM are going to go for an all-out blitz on the blogs and FR, calling them extremist sites that should be banned.

11 posted on 02/08/2006 9:42:05 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: phoenix0468
The technical term here is ''rent-seeking''. Now that SBC, which once was owned by AT&T, owns AT&T and has renamed itself as AT&T (what happened to the 'telegraph' part of that? I wonder...), and now that their ancient business model is collapsing around their ears, do they try to compete using a different model?

Nope. They try, as they've done in our state for decades, to buy off the pols in order to game the system.

Government should preserve their 'franchise' at all costs, and damn the results. Gutless and lazy rent-seekers, no more, no less.

12 posted on 02/08/2006 9:42:19 PM PST by SAJ
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To: phoenix0468
"The companies start to think they can use the government to further their own greedy designs."

This is what socialists don't understand: letting the government set the rules for businesses basically has the effect of making the final entity produced far more powerful than a private company every could have been alone. Keep them separate and the worst they can ever do to you is deny you their services. Let them join forces and they can take your land away from you and build a casino on it.
13 posted on 02/08/2006 9:44:47 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: crushelits

We will just have to start a new net if the screw with this one. A black-net.


14 posted on 02/08/2006 9:44:48 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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To: SAJ; Sofa King

Thank you both for agreeing with me. I am all for keeping the markets fair and balanced and ensuring the safety of our citizens and all, but too much government intervention, regulation, etc. etc. always tends to have negative effects on fair and honest business. What should happen is that private businesses be free of most regulatory controls, but also not immune to being charged with a capital crime if it commits one. I.E. if a CEO of a company knowingly allows a capital crime to be committed by the company him or her and every employee involved should be charged, tried, and sentenced accordingly. No more of this hiding behind Corporation and Incorperation B.S.


15 posted on 02/08/2006 9:49:17 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: mike70
I think your analogy is wrong. The railroads charge the shipper for each rail car that is moved to a destination while broadband providers charge for a fixed quality of service regardless of how much traffic is moved. These are quite different revenue models but accurately reflect different business realities.

The railroad and its customer don't typically care if the rail car arrives in 2 days or 2 weeks while the internet user cares primarily about speed and latency.

If the railroad was also in the auto business and charged its automotive competitors such a large shipping fee that they couldn't compete, then you would have an appropriate analogy for this part of the issue.
16 posted on 02/09/2006 3:04:09 AM PST by IndyMac
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To: crushelits

The very notion that broadband providers might be able to "control the internet" is like saying that slugs should control the garden.

Not that broadband companies are slugs but that the comparison to them in a garden is appropriate, with the internet the user "garden" area of production and activity.

Does anyone know of any cable company who has ever acknowledged anything other than that they provide "excellence in customer service and performance"?


17 posted on 02/09/2006 5:47:21 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: phoenix0468

My point precisely. This is so transparent I can't believe Congresscritters think we are all so dumb as to fall for these arguments.


18 posted on 02/09/2006 5:55:35 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: IndyMac

You are sure wrong. Ever shipped perishable items by truck or rail ? Try UPS rates - overnight, 2 day, regular business etc etc.

And, broadband providers have different levels of service - for example, you can get so-called business DSL at higher speeds than residential DSL. You pay for the bandwidth that comes to your location, whether you use it or not. In point of fact, for most, that means they are paying for bandwidth they don't use for a good part of the day.

Take a good look around.


19 posted on 02/09/2006 5:58:50 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: mike70
If the shipper (telecom backbone providers) has to increase capacity to handle the increased traffic, then tough. But the Googles and Yahoos can sell as many ads as they want, knowing that the next ad can be sent to their customers without a marginal cost. All fixed costs of increased traffic fall on the telecoms without compensation. It's a great business model for Google, but a little shortsighted for the internet.

Not exactly. When the telecom backbone providers increase capacity, they do so to serve more customers, and in many cases justify higher fees to their existing customers based on their infrastructure improvements.

Further, the accessibility of content gatherers like Google is a drawing card for the information transporters like Comcast. The relationship is much more symbiotic than the infrastructure giants seem willing to admit.

20 posted on 02/09/2006 6:09:14 AM PST by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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