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Muslims say sign left near mosque was hate crime
The Houston Chronicle ^ | Feb. 8, 2006, 12:12AM | By ROSANNA RUIZ

Posted on 02/08/2006 7:29:25 AM PST by kinghorse

Muslims say sign left near mosque was hate crime Police note the message was found on public property, making it hard to classify

By ROSANNA RUIZ Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Islamic leaders are outraged that a sign with anti-Muslim sentiments left near a southeast Houston mosque will not likely be pursued by authorities as a hate crime.

The large plywood sign, written in black crayon, labeled Muslims as the enemy and included a bearded character representing the Prophet Muhammad.

It was discovered Monday evening near the mosque in the 8800 block of Old Galveston Road.

The sign had been placed against a fence considered public property by Houston investigators. If the sign had been left on the mosque's property, authorities said, it would be more likely considered a hate crime.

"The suspect would have been on public property when the sign was placed and did not cross onto (the mosque's) property as far as we can tell. It's currently under investigation to determine whether it should be classified as a hate crime," said Nat McDuell, a Houston Police Department spokesman.

"Right now, investigators are having trouble finding the crime," McDuell said. "They may have the hate, but they don't have the crime."

Imam Zoubir Bouchikhi, the mosque's leader and the one who made the discovery, questioned why authorities are not taking action.

"What are they waiting for? A major crime (before) they take action?" he asked. "This, to me, is absurd. ... In light of what's going on in the world, I think they should take very strict action against the people who did this."

Kaleem Siddiqui, spokesman for the Houston chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, was also troubled by HPD's investigation.

He speculated that the sign may have been prompted by the uproar, including riots in the Muslim world, over the publication of some Danish political cartoons satirizing Muhammad.

"It's unfortunate that a technicality could change the classification of the intent," Siddiqui said. "It's the same intent whether it was on the property or right next to the property."

Siddiqui called on the FBI to investigate the incident as a hate crime.

FBI not involved yet The FBI has thus far not initiated an investigation, said Shauna Dunlap, FBI spokeswoman in Houston. Dunlap said no one from HPD or CAIR has contacted the FBI.

She agreed with HPD's assessment, saying that legally proving a hate crime would be more difficult given the sign's placement.

"It does make it more difficult," she said. "It's a lot more difficult to show who was the intended victim."

The Texas Hate Crime Act defines hate crimes as crimes motivated by prejudice and hatred.

The federal law defines hate crimes as crimes committed based upon prejudice, race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity or diversity.

"I'm actually surprised to see something like this here. Houston is a very diverse city and we tend not to have too many issues," Siddiqui said.

"We would like to basically call upon all Americans to recognize the existence of other faiths and we hope we can all be respectful and get along."


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To: kinghorse

Sounds more like an exercise in "truth in advertising" than a hate crime, imho.


121 posted on 02/08/2006 10:03:00 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Wurlitzer
I guess what really gets my goat is the fact that RINO Perry is the one that signed this blatantly unconstitutional piece of crap into *law*.
122 posted on 02/08/2006 10:04:57 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Westlander
5. Have you gun safe filled.

Class dismissed.

Don't forget to assign homework... Buy Lots Of Ammo Today!

123 posted on 02/08/2006 10:32:47 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: kinghorse
Islamic leaders are outraged that a sign with anti-Muslim sentiments left near a southeast Houston mosque will not likely be pursued by authorities as a hate crime.

I wonder if they consider this a hate crime.


124 posted on 02/08/2006 10:33:04 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: kinghorse
Dunlap said no one from HPD or CAIR has contacted the FBI.

So the FBI takes criminal referrals from CAIR????!!!!

Semper Confused

125 posted on 02/08/2006 10:40:51 AM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: kinghorse

If leaving a sign by the side of the road is a 'hate crime,' then all those leftists and mullahs who are preaching hate against U.S. citizens need to be charged.


126 posted on 02/08/2006 10:42:52 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: kinghorse

Does this mean the bumper sticker on my car saying "Allah is a Dick" can be a hate crime?


127 posted on 02/08/2006 10:44:30 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: manglor

As someone in the construction trades, I don't object to the presence of mosques in the landscape--architecturally, some of them are an improvement over surrounding structures. I drive by one every week in Teaneck New Jersey near Route 80. The big problem is WHAT THEY ARE USED FOR, and WHO FREQUENTS THEM. THEY ARE JUST ANOTHER
ERRANT POPULATION OF UNASSIMILABLES, ONE AMONG MANY ;INTEREST GROUPS" HERE BY THE UNILATERAL LARGESSE OF CRAVEN AND PANDERING POLITICIANS, WHO DEMAND THAT THEIR NEEDS BE MET! HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO STAND FOR THIS???!!!


128 posted on 02/08/2006 10:54:02 AM PST by willyboyishere (You had better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live" Bert B)
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To: albionvectis

Of course it is not against Islam to portray Mohammed. I have seen posted HUNDREDS of depictions of the Big M on the internet, as rendered in books illustrating the history of this "glorious" religion. The tipping point was the big M with a bomb turbanned on his head, etc.
As Shakespeare might say "Methinks the Mooslims doth protest too much". Or to put it in more mundane non Shakespearean terms---"the truth hurts".


129 posted on 02/08/2006 10:58:41 AM PST by willyboyishere (You had better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live" Bert B)
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To: texasbluebell

I hear tell that's a photoshop.


130 posted on 02/08/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

This is a great article. You see law enforcement's response. We'd love to help you, once a crime is actually committed.


131 posted on 02/08/2006 11:58:51 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

If they get this pissed off with a sign being propped up, how pissed off would they be with a guy holding a sign making fun of their religion on the streetcorner on a Friday morning?


132 posted on 02/08/2006 11:59:06 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: kinghorse

That's not a hate crime. A hate crime is having your head chopped off or your throat cut or being stabbed like Van Gough or burning an embassy or flying planes into buildings or blowing things up or ......


133 posted on 02/08/2006 12:00:30 PM PST by outofhere2
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To: kinghorse

Oh just start rioting and get it over with, already!


134 posted on 02/08/2006 12:04:31 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: texasbluebell

That has got to be one of the most ironic signs I have EVER seen.

135 posted on 02/08/2006 12:07:21 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: kinghorse

Littering. No other 'crime'.


136 posted on 02/08/2006 12:10:39 PM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: kinghorse

What is the crime? Has anyone been assaulted? Killed? Any property destroyed?


137 posted on 02/08/2006 12:20:25 PM PST by quadrant
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To: Squint
"No, they're waiting for A crime to happen. Contrary to popular opinion these days freedom of speech IS a real freedom, even if some Muslims don't like it. I suppose they'll eventually get over it."

Either that or get out of this country and go somewhere where Freedom of Speech is not protected!

138 posted on 02/08/2006 12:21:54 PM PST by albee (Clinton"Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: kinghorse; Centurion2000
Well, if that one is photo-shopped, how about this one? If this isn't a hate crime, I don't know what is.

This photo is most likely genuine, according to the properties of the image, since it's straight from a news source.

Maybe the first one I found is doctored with, since it seems to be a version of this one, but if so, this one doesn't seem to be faked!

This shows the link straight to a news source:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060203/i/r3443127481.jpg?x=255&y=345&sig=RHZa35z5W8pdZcwjoGsYLg--

139 posted on 02/08/2006 12:30:28 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: kinghorse
Islamic leaders are outraged that a sign with anti-Muslim sentiments left near a southeast Houston mosque will not likely be pursued by authorities as a hate crime.

The large plywood sign, written in black crayon, labeled Muslims as the enemy and included a bearded character representing the Prophet Muhammad.



The news media declares Muhammad a "Prophet" and not just the "Islamic Prophet"? Next they'll be saying "Peace Be Unto Him".

THIS OUGHT TO BE CALLED A "HATE CRIME":

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF THEO van GOGH and the CARTOON RIOTS:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger
. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)


ISLAM DELENDA EST!

140 posted on 02/08/2006 12:37:22 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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