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To: Luis Gonzalez
Translation: government can usurp your property rights.

Absolutely. In theory, the government should only be able to usurp your property rights for the sole reason of protecting another citizen's basic Rights. For example, if you build a Russian military base on your property, the state would have the power to usurp your property Rights since the exercise of your rights infringed upon other citizens. Likewise, if I insisted on playing my radio too loud at 3:00 AM every morning, the state would seize my property if I didn't stop.

And if an employer starts using his property rights (parking lot) to infringe upon his worker's property rights (vehicle and weapon), then once again the state is justified in taking action to prevent it.

Your eminent domain comparison is silly since nobody would lose their property unless the employer insisted on conducting soviet-style searches of his employees private property in violation of the law. That's not an unreasonable request; no more than me not playing loud music at 3:00 in the morning and disturbing my neighbors.

No, my right as the owner of the property..the individual who paid for it, pays to maintain it, and pays taxes on it, gives me the right to set rules of access.

Your rules cannot trump another persons basic rights.

Please answer the following: should an employer be able to fire or hire anybody at any time for any reason? (Please don't cite existing laws.... I simply want to know if you think this should be the case in your perfect world.) Yes or No.

362 posted on 02/11/2006 2:55:03 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mulder
You've seized your "build a Russian military base" garbage debate like a drowning man seizes a piece of driftwood...garbage thinking.

As a matter of fact, I CAN build a Russian military base on my property; it's my right as a property owner.

However, the government is Constitutionally charged with deciding who may enter and stay in this country, so the troops to man that base would not be allowed to be here, unless of course the government, as it is allowed to do by the Constitution, strikes a treaty with Russia allowing them to have military personnel on the ground in this country.

Do you have any more bulls#t you need me to address?

In order for your argument about a private property owner not being able to set the conditions to your access to his property to be true, you are going to have to convince me that I have to allow you on my property and in my house with a gun, against my wishes.

You can't.

The only way to do so would be for the government to cave in under pressure from the mob, and write legislation to usurp my rights as a property owner.

They normally don't have a problem with doing that, as we have seen with the notion of eminent domain, and they will be more than happy to cater to idiots who are willing to trade a little liberty in exchange for parking.

This is not about your right to bear arms, no one has impeeded your ability to carry a weapon. This is about convenient parking.

What a sad, pathetic lot you are, trading basic liberty for convenient parking.

382 posted on 02/12/2006 12:59:41 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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