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To: tpaine
"You've been told that we the people have a right to keep arms in vehicles, and you can't infringe on our right."

I'm not infringing on your right to carry, you can keep your guns in your vehicle, but you can't park your vehicle with guns in my parking lot. You wish to park your vehicle in my property, against my wishes, and thus you seek to violate MY rights, and you want ti use government to facilitate the violation of my individual property rights.

You are creating some absurd Constitutional right to convenient parking.

It doesn't exist.

It's the same argument that liberals use to promote the right to kill the unborn, a non-existent right (to park conveniently/privacy) used to violate an unalienable right (to property/life).

225 posted on 02/10/2006 5:53:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, I respectfully disagree.

The second amendment does not say anything about your parking lot, your private property, or federal property for that matter.

The right to own weapons is the right to be free.

If you don't like free men on your property, you have a perfect right to refuse admission to them.

That would include all citizens of the USA.

Perhaps that would cut down on your business, having no employees, no customers.

My right to life does not end at the borders of your business. My right to keep and bear arms is just as absolute.

So sorry, but that is the way it is.

226 posted on 02/10/2006 5:59:47 PM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis Gonzalez wrote:

You just made the argument that the government can tell me what I must use my property for, and that I can't set rules for entry, because your right to park supersedes my right to my property.

Not true. You've been told that we the people have a right to keep arms in vehicles, and you can't infringe on our right.

I'm not infringing on your right to carry, you can keep your guns in your vehicle, but you can't park your vehicle with guns in my parking lot.

Deny it if you must, but that is an infringement on your employees right to bear arms.

You wish to park your vehicle in my property, against my wishes,

Nope, -- In the real world employees are required to park on your property, by local ordinance.

and thus you seek to violate MY rights, and you want ti use government to facilitate the violation of my individual property rights.

Rave on, -- you are banning guns, yet your 'rights' are violated? What right do you have to ban guns? And why do you want to?

You are creating some absurd Constitutional right to convenient parking. It doesn't exist.

True, it doesn't exist except in your mind.

When the government violates the rights of industry owners in the name of the worker, we have socialism.

When the government allows industry owners to violate the gun rights of employees in the guise of 'safety', we'll have socialism.

It's the same argument that liberals use to promote the right to kill the unborn, a non-existent right (to park conveniently/privacy) used to violate an unalienable right (to property/life).

When desperate luis, you use any argument. Give it up.

228 posted on 02/10/2006 6:38:17 PM PST by tpaine
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