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CONGRESS'S Secret Saddam Tapes
New York Sun ^ | February 7, 2006 | Eli Lake

Posted on 02/07/2006 5:02:09 AM PST by IrishMike

"The House Permanant Select Committee on Intelligence is studying hours of audio recordings between Saddam Hussein and his top advisors that may provide clues to the whereabouts of Iraq's WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION. The committee has already confirmed through the intelligence community that the recordings of saddam's voice are AUTHENTIC, according to it's chairman, REP. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, who would not go into detail about the nature of the conversations or their context." " The audio recordings are part of new evidence the House Intelligence Committee is piecing together that has spurred Mr Koekstra to reopen the question of whether Iraq had the BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL and NUCLEAR weapons American weapons inspectors could not turn up." They were provided to his committee by a former Federal prosecutor, John Loftus, who says he received them from a former American military intelligence analyst.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; johnloftus; saddam; saddamtapes; waronterror; wmd; wmds; wot
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To: lawdude
"True. But remember, a republican party that swings left and the emergence of a 'conservative' party still represent acceptable policies to the majority of Americans. BUT, the far left tilt of the dems represents a policy base that just cannot resonate with the vast majority."

That's true as far as it goes. However, it misses the salient point that there will still be a split in the electorate. The Conservatives will not have a majority and would still have to share power with the Republicans (or the Democrats should they be the second largest vote getter).

It's an old military axiom that you don't divide your forces in the face of the enemy. Sure, Lee did it at Chancellorsville with dramatic effect. However he also did so in the Maryland campaign in 1862 and it hurt him.

A split in the Republican Party will only give Democrats ammunition..."The Republicans are arguing among themselves, they can't be entrusted with management of the nation", etc. Why give our opposition ammunition against us? I'd rather see us work out our problems at the ballot box and return the Republican Party to its roots. Let the Democrats split if they like and give us ammunition against them. I'd rather see that than what you propose.

Be careful what you wish for.

121 posted on 02/07/2006 7:22:20 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: IrishMike

for later


122 posted on 02/07/2006 7:25:23 AM PST by texianyankee
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To: G.Mason
How long before Senator Rockefeller tells Syria to get rid of them

Very good point. That guy needs booted from the Intelligence Committee.... right into prison.
123 posted on 02/07/2006 7:29:38 AM PST by Pirate21 ("Leadership is about action, not just position." - Lord Taylor of Warwick)
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To: bonfire
Gonzales wouldn't budge which just made Leahy "OUTRAGED"!

Yes, humorous. And pathetic.

Once Leahy announced that he'd been a prosecutor, and many others on the committee had been prosecutors. He was clearly getting peeved that Gonzales (properly) wasn't responding to his prior reminders that they were Senators, and had to pull another kind of intimidation from his hat.

The problem is that if Leahy was ever a prosecutor, he must have been a very bad one, and as he likes to remind people at every committee meeting, he's been a Senator (not a prosecutor) for 30+ years.

Leahy is a total clod.

124 posted on 02/07/2006 7:30:01 AM PST by angkor
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To: bcsco

Thats called "being a Lemming."

Only if enough normal people wake up and say this retoric and yhe actions of the Democratic Party are wrong and dangerous for Our Country and vote for the Party that is acting in the Best Interest of Our Country (the Republicans) will We Save Our Country and hence it's Two Party System!


125 posted on 02/07/2006 7:38:04 AM PST by True Republican Patriot
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To: True Republican Patriot
"Thats called 'being a Lemming.'"

What's called 'being a Lemming'? I don't understand your reference.

126 posted on 02/07/2006 7:45:27 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: bcsco; rikkir
I'm sorry, but I do not see the Republican Party as being anywhere near marginalized as the Democrats are in danger of becoming.

Agreed. I think I'm being objective - more or less - in seeing that the Rats are currently without leadership, without much of a platform or ideas (except the old ones which have already been accomplished), or much of a rational consituency.

What do they really stand for these days? Beats me.

My father who has long involvement in Republican politics said there used to be something respectable about Democrats, even if one disagreed with their ideas. Opponents could usually be civil with one another. Not now.

It is worrisome that Rats are now being driven by the DUmmies and Hollywierdos. Not only is much of their hysterical political belief logically ungrounded and without any philosophical merit, much of America strongly disagrees with it. Yelling and getting "outraged" is not a political platform.

127 posted on 02/07/2006 7:51:16 AM PST by angkor
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To: stuartcr
All of which can be fabricated.

Don't you think that if the Bush administration was going to fake documentation about WMDs - they would have done it just before the 2004 Presidential election? Why wait til now?

128 posted on 02/07/2006 7:52:05 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Tokra

I don't know, that's why I said, not that it would ever happen.


129 posted on 02/07/2006 7:54:34 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Perdogg; arasina
John Loftus says a lot things that don't pan out.

Agreed. I can't recall specifics, but I've come to regard him as a "former CIA spook and intel guy" from the Newsmax and Worldnet Daily school of reporting.

130 posted on 02/07/2006 7:55:11 AM PST by angkor
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To: bcsco
Right. Elections are about comparative choices not absolutes. Lesser of the evils.
131 posted on 02/07/2006 7:57:20 AM PST by plain talk
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To: lawdude
BUT, the far left tilt of the dems represents a policy base that just cannot resonate with the vast majority.

I don't know that I agree with this statement unfortunately. It's true that if most people understood the truth of what the left is for they wouldn't vote for them. But most people are sheep and not savvy on politics and can be fooled. The dems lie. The dems appeal to emotions and self-interest. Since 5% pay 50% of the taxes most people are only too happy in their self-interest to vote dem and they almost elected John Kerry as President, the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Our group is to expose the lies of the left.

132 posted on 02/07/2006 8:05:36 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Fishtalk
AYPK, Stephen Hayes said there is a big battle going on in the WH about releasing the already unclassified documents that have been translated. I wonder if this is as you suggest an orchestrated leak or a former analyst who is mad as hell and not going to take it any more.
133 posted on 02/07/2006 8:09:21 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: angkor; plain talk
"It is worrisome that Rats are now being driven by the DUmmies and Hollywierdos. Not only is much of their hysterical political belief logically ungrounded and without any philosophical merit, much of America strongly disagrees with it. Yelling and getting 'outraged' is not a political platform."

This underscores my contention. Our 2 party system has worked, for the most part well, for 150+ years. If the Democrats are so close to marginalizing themselves then why would the Republicans want to do the same to themselves? It makes no sense.

I would prefer seeing the Democrats splinter and become marginalized completely, if that has to be, than the same happen to the Republicans; whether in tandem with the Democrats or alone. It's time to take hold of our strengths, reconstitute what the Republican Party used to be, and go forward with a clear agenda. THAT's success through strength! It is NOT sane to allow our differences destroy us.

134 posted on 02/07/2006 8:11:00 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: bcsco

I agree with the gist of what you have been saying. We are in a war with the liberals and until our side understands this fully, we will continue to become fractured and less effective. We must fight the liberals as a coalition as if our lives depended on it in the same way the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. joined forces to fight Hitler.


135 posted on 02/07/2006 8:19:42 AM PST by plain talk
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To: IrishMike

Oh, just wait till before the elections to release it. Dems think that anyway.


136 posted on 02/07/2006 8:23:33 AM PST by jw777
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To: eyespysomething

Hoekstra. In Dutch the oe is pronounced as we pronounce oo in food.


137 posted on 02/07/2006 8:24:01 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arasina

Nothing is secret after congress gets their hands on it.


138 posted on 02/07/2006 8:29:05 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: kabar

and the CIA director who supposedly told President Bush regarding WMDs in Iraq, "slam dunk" will be exonerated?


139 posted on 02/07/2006 8:29:34 AM PST by maxter
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To: plain talk
We must fight the liberals as a coalition as if our lives depended on it in the same way the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. joined forces to fight Hitler.

Essentially, it's the same strategy as one would like on the WOT. If the West is going to win, the West has to be united. Similarly, if Republicans are going to succeed (or, survive) they have to remain together. This doesn't mean we have to accept liberal RHINO philosophy within our party. It means we have to reorganize our party into a conservative body that has the ability to get its message across to the American public.

Sure, there will always be those to the left of us Conservatives within the party. But they will be the minority and, as such, their presence can actually be a plus. Presently, they're disruptive and contentious. Instead of breaking up the Republican Party; thereby marginalizing the Conservatives, a strong Republican Party with true Conservative credentials will insure that the RHINOs will indeed be the marginalized subset.

140 posted on 02/07/2006 8:29:49 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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