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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: ClassConscious

i'll be checking back with you shortly


201 posted on 02/06/2006 8:46:19 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness

Hey Maximus.


202 posted on 02/06/2006 8:46:28 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Sam Cree

I can never understand socialists, I guess that is because they "feel" instead of think. Socialists claim to want to share and share alike, but they are really a very selfish, lazy breed, who just want to feed off of other's enterprise.


203 posted on 02/06/2006 8:46:48 PM PST by Eva
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To: ClassConscious

I read somewhere that most "millionaires" started out as ordinary working-class people.

My husband & I own a business - we are the only 2 employees & sometimes making ends meet is very difficult - but we love being our own boss. We love being in control of our own destiny.

Nothing makes me madder than to have to hand my hard-earned tax money over to some lazy, able-bodied POS that wouldn't hit a lick at a snake, much less get a job.

I'm proud to be called a Capitalist & I'm also proud to be a part of the working class - it's what America is all about.

Welcome to Free Republic!


204 posted on 02/06/2006 8:46:54 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: ClassConscious
Well, a couple thoughts for you:

While you may be surprised, those of us who have lived as conservatives in primarily liberal cities are not. Modern liberalism is not Classic Liberalism, the Dems are simply the products of an elitist world view.

Next, we are all Capitalists. We all invest time and money in order to gain intellectual capital (skill, trade, education) that we employ for personal gain. The dividing labor, capital, and entrepreneurs only serves as a dialectic straw man to make Socialism look like a good idea.

Progressives Aren't

Conservatism is the for the common and working man. Teach them, train them, and stay the hell out of their.

Mansion dwelling trust fun babies vote for the D, ask yourself why. Check out Thomas Sowell (Marxism:Philosophy and Economics) and Von Hayek (The Road to Surdom).
205 posted on 02/06/2006 8:47:14 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Well, he/she's been here almost an hour.
Either the AM is considering our requests,
or they're sleeping/eating/other or...
they're letting the kitties come out and play with their food.

I know better than to try to guess the mighty AM's intentions. I'll just accept what happens.
(fingers crossed)


206 posted on 02/06/2006 8:47:40 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: nopardons

It sounds like you are the one with a closed mind.


207 posted on 02/06/2006 8:48:14 PM PST by LibertarianCandidate
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To: Trteamer
Try cutting your hair, moving away from the college campus, getting a career and dedicating yourself to being the best. Give capitalism a try, you may like it.

Or better yet, let him/her try and play capitalist for real and put their money, mouth and heart and soul on the line by starting their own capitalistic business.

I'm sure that would be a REAL eye-opener into the inner workings of captialism. They'd find out that capitalism isn't just a word.

208 posted on 02/06/2006 8:48:20 PM PST by America's Resolve (I've become a 'single issue voter' for 06 and 08. My issue is illegal immigration!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
LOL...the longer this thread is up and running, the more people who agree with me, will appear on it. I was just early to the party.

You betcha I called for a ZOT! This site isn't for stinking COMMIES; it's for CONSERVATIVES.

I should make a list and call all of your naive people out, when this troll goes and posts something about this thread on DU and/or posts his stinking COMMIE trip on other threads; but I wont do shame you so.

Change? The poster rather explicitly stated that he didn't come here to "change" and someone who has also stated that he hates capitalists, and then refuses to answer those who have called him out on that, is NOT here for any other reason than to 1) complain that DU isn't LEFT enough for him 2) spew his ideas and ignore debate.

So he loves the Second Amendment; big deal! He's against everything else a Conservative stands for.

209 posted on 02/06/2006 8:49:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I remember when I use to watch the news and believe what was reported.

Then I took an interest in politics and eventually found my way to FR. I didn't take long before I felt like Roddy Piper in "Frogtown", you know, when he found the sunglasses that let him see the real world. lol

An open mind is all it takes and if this one sticks around I'll bet that some of those "Progressive" ideas disappear.
210 posted on 02/06/2006 8:50:15 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: ClassConscious

Just wait until you actually start making it financially and have children for whom the shaping of their eternal destiny is largely yours for a couple of decades.

THEN you might realize that Conservative Constitutionalist Americanism is more than a movement, cliche or identity.


211 posted on 02/06/2006 8:51:22 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: nopardons
2) spew his ideas and ignore debate.

THAT I agree with. If he/she won't debate, boot time.
212 posted on 02/06/2006 8:51:28 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Congressman Billybob
"Congressman Billybob (Hillary! delendum est.) "

I hadn't realized that Hillary! is a neuter noun.

Is this a subtle manifestation of triangulation?

213 posted on 02/06/2006 8:51:34 PM PST by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: ClassConscious
Let me begin by saying that I see that your post has 188 replies...I have not read any of them. I will bet that many of the replies will be "IBTZ" (In Before The Zot.)"

If your acount is still active, it is only by the grace of God, or the moderators...one and the same on this forum.

Your post would have had some relevance at one time...back when dissent and debate were welcome here.

Niether is welcome any longer.

This forum used to be a better place tha DU because of the difference that you pointed out, but that is no longer the case.

Thanks for the thought, anyway.

214 posted on 02/06/2006 8:52:21 PM PST by Washi
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To: JRandomFreeper

Being as I am not a conservative, I will be slightly circumspect in my discussion, since I suspect if I opt more for "heat" than "light", I will be zotted.

Well Molotov, not someone who praised the US lightly, said in his old age that the capitalist US saved Europe in the last world war.

As far as US leadership opening the door to communism, I think people tend to forget how isolationist the US was before World War II. How many people in the US thought that the chief bearers of the burden of containing communism worldwide would fall on US shoulders? Smarter people may have, I don't think it had sinked in nationwide though. I think you really have to go back in time to 1945 without 20/20 hindsight. I don't really feel the need to defend the Democratic party in any way though. I mean, read VP Wallace was saying at the time, it should be clear where the heads of some of the Democrats were.


215 posted on 02/06/2006 8:52:35 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: LibertarianCandidate
Why, because I HATE, LOATHE, and ABOMINATE stinking Commies?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

216 posted on 02/06/2006 8:52:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: The Old Hoosier

I agree--why zot this when he is zotting DU?


217 posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:20 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: ClassConscious

You've lasted this long, haven't been zotted. Good. Stick around, welcome aboard, from a former Democrat, more of the Henry Jackson variety.

Suggested reading:

The Road to Serfdom, by Freidrich A. von Hayek. von Hayek was hated by both the Nazis and Stalin. His colleague, Ludwig von Mises, had the misfortune of remaining in Austria, wound up in a concentration camp, and then the GULAG.

Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. I will admit that she gets a bit preachy, and I also disagree with her atheism, among other things, but she does have some valid points.

The above some may consider more libertarian than conservative - yes we got some infighting here between the two groups, but that's another discussion altogether.

Stick around, have fun!


218 posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:24 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: ClassConscious

IBTZ. Where's the zot?


219 posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:27 PM PST by lmr (You can have my Tactical Nuclear Weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: ClassConscious

Capitalism is the creation of wealth, through which you can retire early and shoot your guns more.


220 posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:44 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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