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First duty is to yourself (No duty to retreat)
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW ^ | February 5, 2006 | Dimitri Vassilaros

Posted on 02/06/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by neverdem

The law says you must act like a coward. In your own home. Even when your life is threatened.

Many states have criminal-friendly "duty to retreat" laws. A victim in his house is mandated to retreat from an attacker until he is cornered. Only then is the prey allowed to use lethal force on the predator. Prosecutors in those states have been known to victimize the victim (such as charging him with manslaughter) who prefers to fire back rather than to back off.

The National Rifle Association has been trying to end the insanity state by state.

Florida came to its senses last year. It enacted a law based on the "Castle Doctrine" -- that one's home is one's castle. A person now is not legally required to be hunted down room by room by an intruder before the victim pulls the trigger. The law allows the victim to shoot back without fear of being prosecuted for being overzealous about protecting his life. And it prohibits criminals from suing their more aggressive victims. All their victims, actually.

"Somebody should not be twice victimized, first by the assailant and then by the legal system trying to destroy his life," says Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, the largest organization representing gun owners after the NRA.

But the Florida law does more.

Car-jackers beware; now one's car is his mobile castle. And better still, if a victim is not in a home or car, now he legally can use deadly force. Sunshine State criminals without a death wish might want to consider career counseling. Or take Horace Greeley's advice to go west. But if they do, they had better hurry.

Wyoming is the latest battleground. The NRA is lobbying there and in 11 other states to repeal duty-to-retreat laws...

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Pennsylvania; US: Wyoming
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To: neverdem
Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted.
21 posted on 02/06/2006 12:18:42 PM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: neverdem

Regardless of the law, I would never, ever retreat in my own home. Someone breaking into my home will hear two things before he dies. The first will be the action operating on my Remington 870. The second will be the report of the first round being fired. He will not hear the next round.

I'm protecting myself, but I'm protecting my wife even more.

Police officers breaking into my home (I don't know why they would ever do that) must announce themselves loudly in order not to be mistaken for a common burglar or home invasion robber.


22 posted on 02/06/2006 12:19:14 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Gordongekko909

That's the way it should be. I would never shoot anyone inside my home if he were just stealing something and not presenting a danger to life.


23 posted on 02/06/2006 12:19:56 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: tx_eggman

I like the cut of your jib.


24 posted on 02/06/2006 12:21:01 PM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: stuartcr

"I would never shoot anyone inside my home if he were just stealing something and not presenting a danger to life.
"

Really? And you know the person's intentions how exactly in a darkened home? You know that the person is unarmed? You know that he means you no harm?

I advise that you rethink this position, just in case. Of course, if you are not armed in your home, or your firearms are locked away and not immediately accessible, it's a moot point, anyhow. I suspect that to be the case.


25 posted on 02/06/2006 12:21:46 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Stashiu

"Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted."

Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. There, that's better, S.


26 posted on 02/06/2006 12:25:43 PM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: MaDuce; tx_eggman
Retreating is what I'll be doing when I go into the kitchen to grab 2 fingers of single malt to calm my nerves after I've shot (until he/she quits moving) an intruder found on the inside of my abode.

Ya might not want the sherrif to smell whisky on your breath

27 posted on 02/06/2006 12:26:25 PM PST by Uncledave (It takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort)
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To: Crucis Country

There was a celebrasted case in Iowa in the mid 1960s where a property owner set a spring gun aka "Booby Trap" in an unoccupied dwelling in order to catch burglar(s). He did and was pronptly sued and lost as I recall.

Two problems with the property owners actions:
1) It is illegal in Iowa and most other states, as well, to set up spring guns aka "Booby Traps"
2) The house was not occupied at the time.

Perhaps this is what you were thinking about,eh?

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


28 posted on 02/06/2006 12:26:34 PM PST by alfa6
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To: MineralMan

The cost to repair the hole in my house after a .44 goes thru him, and the cost of the cleaning bill, and the tv that broke when he dropped it, and the time off work for legal issues, far outweighs what I have in my house that could be stolen.

Besides, as I said, if there were no danger to life, whatever I have in my home that could be stolen, is not worth a human life. That is not to say, that I would not have my weapon trained on him, as one is always near the bed.


29 posted on 02/06/2006 12:29:00 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: neverdem

good good good.
one of the things I miss about living in Louisiana - someone sets one toe across your property line, you can pwn him if you so desire.
here in GA, it is the "threshhold" of the home.


30 posted on 02/06/2006 12:30:10 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: chimera

You're dreaming. Forensics would pick up the blood trail in a nanosecond.


31 posted on 02/06/2006 12:32:25 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: neverdem
Most people don't understand the difference between a statute and a law.

No statute can override the lawful actions of a person defending himself on his own property.

32 posted on 02/06/2006 12:33:01 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Beckwith
Does anyone know what states have "duty to retreat" statutes?
Luckily for you we're not a state, but avoid Spain. Intruders have all the rights here. I'd still shoot one anyway.
33 posted on 02/06/2006 12:35:13 PM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: neverdem
The law allows the victim to shoot back without fear of being prosecuted for being overzealous about protecting his life.

In my world it is not possible to be overzealous when protecting a life.

34 posted on 02/06/2006 12:36:40 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: stuartcr; MineralMan

all theives of individual's property should be killed.

in stealing a material possession or money from an individual, they rob the victim of portions of life: that portion of life traded to acquire the possession or money, and that portion of life to be traded to replace it.

time is the one resource you can never replace, and never know how much you have left until you zero your account.

anyone who takes time from me in that manner is a dead man.


35 posted on 02/06/2006 12:36:47 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: stuartcr
Besides, as I said, if there were no danger to life, whatever I have in my home that could be stolen, is not worth a human life. That is not to say, that I would not have my weapon trained on him, as one is always near the bed.

So, you let him rob you and leave ... and at his next stop down the street he rapes or kills someone.

No harm, no foul, right?

Would you kill a poisonous snake in your yard?

36 posted on 02/06/2006 12:37:28 PM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: Cobra64

Well, I did say you'd have to be a little careful about the blood trail. Lighten up, Francine...


37 posted on 02/06/2006 12:39:18 PM PST by chimera
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To: MineralMan
The first will be the action operating on my Remington 870.

Not me. Too cumbersome. Buy a Sig P226 .40 S&W with laser grips. Much more effective at short range.

http://sigarms.com/products/newproducts.asp

38 posted on 02/06/2006 12:40:37 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: King Prout

We are obviously different. A material possesion can be replaced, a life cannot. My tv is not a portion of my life, that is worth killing over.


39 posted on 02/06/2006 12:41:11 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: neverdem; El Gato

Thanks !


40 posted on 02/06/2006 12:41:13 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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