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LIVE THREAD: SJC hearing on the NSA surveilance program - C-span 1; 9:30 am EST

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by ken5050

Good Monday morning, once again, fellow political jinkies. The NFL season may be over, but the political season inside the Beltway is 24/7/365. So join us, if you can, as those wacky Dems on the Senate Judiciary committee reprise their pitiful efforts to once again smear President Bush and score political points..


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; ag; albertogonzales; attorneygeneral; doj; dojprobe; gonzales; nsa; spying; ussenate
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To: Mo1

I guess by doing this....posting about them...and asking about them..perhaps Tony Snow could be of help...

I think we have got to try to expose as much as possible between now and NOV...but especially by 2008.


Do you remember the incident I was referencing about Mark Halperin and the debates in 2004??


2,521 posted on 02/06/2006 7:54:47 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: Txsleuth

I remember the story .. but I didn't know he was behind it


2,522 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:47 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1

I guess the reason I remember that he was....is because he not only worked here at WBAP...

But, he had been set up with some interviews with ex-workers from here BEFORE the e-mail became public.

He didn't cancel them...he just didn't show up...and his "friends" here, the talk show hosts, openly talked about how mad they were that he wouldn't "own up" to his deed...

I haven't watched one second of ABC news since...and I avoid Stephy's show like the plague.


2,523 posted on 02/06/2006 8:05:40 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: piasa

Check out the Mockingbird Project


2,524 posted on 02/06/2006 8:07:10 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: piasa

Bingo...thanks piasa.


2,526 posted on 02/06/2006 8:50:56 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: piasa
That should read Mark, not Morton Halperin

2004 : (US PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES...ABC'S MARK HALPERIN ORDERS UP A CUSTOM CASE OF MEDIA BIAS) Halperin is the person that dictated his employyes go easy on Kerry, hard on Bush, in a memo Drudge released only hours before the Debate Gibson was to host. This was around the timing of Rathergate so it didn't get the mileage it could have gotten otherwise. 10 posted on 08/03/2005 2:25:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker

2,527 posted on 02/06/2006 8:59:40 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Txsleuth

correction ping


2,528 posted on 02/06/2006 9:01:48 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Dolphy; Fedora
get a load of this:

The ABC's of Media Bias-The radical roots of ABC Political Director Mark Halperin
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 10/14/04 | Lowell Ponte

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Morton Halperin during the mid-1970s befriended Philip Agee, a former-CIA-agent-turned-Communist who publicly identified hundreds of purported American Central Intelligence Agency agents. At least one of these agents, Athens station chief Richard Welch, was murdered shortly thereafter. Halperin flew to Europe to help Agee find safe haven after Great Britain expelled him. In the U.S., Halperin opposed legislation to punish the outing of U.S. undercover agents as Agee had done. Halperin has described the CIA as “the subverter of everybody else’s freedom.”

  Halperin, as Director of the Washington, D.C. office of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), in this era also defended the right of The Progressive magazine to publish secret details it had obtained of how to make an atomic bomb.  

/snip

Also see this snippet from the referenced article about another one of Mort's offspring:

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According to a March 1, 2004 report by Robert Dreyfuss in The Nation, Halperin and Soros handpicked the President of CAP, former Clinton White House Chief of Staff John Podesta.  Morton Halperin today is Senior Vice President, second-in-command at CAP, where his son David is a Special Adviser on Campus Outreach. During the years 1997-2000, David Halperin worked as a speechwriter for President Clinton and the National Security Council. Among the Clinton White House email records that mysteriously disappeared when sought by investigators were ones to and from David Halperin, some of which might have involved his father.

/snip

2,529 posted on 02/06/2006 9:16:27 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

"Who's the wizard? the mastermind?? Who's behind the curtain.. the puppetmaster ... orchestrating this calculated multi-pronged attack by the Rats? Cindy, Iraq, NYSlimes leaks, NSA surveillance, Katrina, Plame, troop realignment and reformation, budget issues, impeachment, social program "alleged" cuts, .. all of it. Ickes?? Podesta? Maggie Williams? Soros?? Someone's definitely directing the drip drip drip.

The Shadow Party"

While I am very familiar with Halperin, I had not heard of the term "Shadow Party" and thank you for the information. Can you, or anyone here who has a moment, explain how this term relates, if at all, the to term "Fifth Column", as mentioned by one of our Senators today during questioning. Are they one in the same?
Thanks.


2,530 posted on 02/07/2006 2:18:05 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=137
The Shadow Party
By David Horowitz and Richard Poe

October 11, 2004




The Shadow Party is an investigative report by David Horowitz and Richard Poe, which examines the growing power of billionaire global investor George Soros over U.S. politics.


Posted to FrontPageMag.com in three installments, on October 6, 7 and 11, 2004, the series also appears in booklet form.
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2,531 posted on 02/07/2006 3:28:08 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: piasa

I see you posted the link to the Shadow Party..Good information for us all.


2,532 posted on 02/07/2006 3:36:53 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: piasa

BUMP!


2,533 posted on 02/07/2006 3:38:58 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: freema
"Operation Mockingbird" - neat stuff.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm

The world is an intriguing place.

2,534 posted on 02/07/2006 3:58:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

"The world is an intriguing place."

... nicely understated : )




2,535 posted on 02/07/2006 4:23:04 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema; Cboldt

Oh, gee, freema look up that site..One is Michael Rivero's..put on your tin foil hat and look up the author..Constantine.

Surprised at your"sources", Cboldt.


2,536 posted on 02/07/2006 4:27:27 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Dolphy
Why couldn't they have expressed their concerns during the briefings?

Their concerns then, as now, carry no weight. The administration is determined to carry out its duty to protect the public.

Why couldn't they have asked for their own legal analysis?

To do so would have compromised the secrecy of the program's existence. There is speculation that Senator Rockefeller may be the leaker - watch what happens to him, and if it's "bad," we will have an object lesson into why Congresspeople informed of deep secrets are reluctant to even hint at their knowledge. Asking others about the legality of certain "hypothetical" activity? "Why do you ask?"

It would seem to me that they had multiple options that didn't potentially compromise an effective program or the security of the country.

If -ANY- disclosure of information to outsiders (that hints at the actual existence of the program) results in "compromise of an effective program" and/or "security of the country," then they have to stay mum. If they don't stay mum, they fail the test that you propose.

As an aside, I just looked up Jane Harman's early statements on the issue. Do you recall (or were you aware) that she was pilloried here for "flip flopping" between December and January, because in January she said that too few members of Congress were informed? FReepers defended her in this post, from December - just so you can see the change in perception.

It turns out she expressed the "too few Congresspeople informed" charge in her first statement. It's point numbered "1" below.

Congresswoman Jane Harman - Press Release

December 21, 2005

HARMAN STATEMENT ON NSA ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM
~ Calls for expanded Congressional briefings, open and closed hearings in New Year ~

Washington , D.C. Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA), Ranking Member on the House Intelligence Committee, today issued the following statement:

As the Ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, I have been briefed since 2003 on a highly classified NSA foreign collection program that targeted Al Qaeda. I believe the program is essential to US national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.

Due to its sensitive nature, I have been barred from discussing any aspect of this program, and until the President described certain parts of it on Saturday, I have made no comment whatsoever.

Like many Americans, I am deeply concerned by reports that this program in fact goes far beyond the measures to target Al Qaeda about which I was briefed. Since Saturday, I have consulted my staff as well as attorneys who specialize in constitutional law and now believe that:

1. It was inappropriate to limit congressional briefings on this program to the so-called Gang of Four the most senior majority and minority members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. The National Security Act of 1947 gives the President authority to limit congressional briefings only when covert action not foreign collection is involved.

House Intelligence Committee Democrats have written to the President and Chairman Pete Hoekstra requesting a briefing as well as open and closed hearings as soon as Congress reconvenes in January. Vigorous congressional oversight requires Member and staff involvement.

2. Domestic-to-domestic surveillance requires the approval of a FISA court. It has always been my view that the President must seek FISA approval if domestic-to-domestic surveillance is involved. The FISA statute allows a 72-hour grace period in an emergency.

3) The Blue Ribbon Commission called for by a number of House Democrats is a very good idea. Once armed with full information, Congress can and should change the laws regarding domestic surveillance if warranted.

We must use all lawful tools to detect and disrupt the plans of our enemies; signals intelligence and the work of the NSA are vital to that mission. But in doing so, it is also vital that we protect the American people's constitutional rights.

http://www.house.gov/harman/press/releases/2005/1221PR_nsa.html


2,537 posted on 02/07/2006 4:31:37 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: MEG33
Yeah - random picks from a google search of "operation mockingbird."

The "Church" hearings from 1975 refer to CIA infiltration of media, but don't use the codeword "Operation Mockingbird."

Surprised at your"sources", Cboldt.

Insult taken, thankyewverymuch.

2,538 posted on 02/07/2006 4:35:08 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Chastisement, perhaps, and true puzzlement..but no insult to you meant at all.


2,539 posted on 02/07/2006 4:38:50 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33
Chastisement, perhaps ...

Taken, sorry I used "the wrong label." Thanks again.

2,540 posted on 02/07/2006 4:40:48 AM PST by Cboldt
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