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15,000 Wrecks Lie Buried On Irish Seabed
The Times (UK) ^ | 2-5-2006 | Andrew Bushe

Posted on 02/05/2006 3:12:21 PM PST by blam

15,000 wrecks lie buried on Irish seabed

Andrew Bushe

LUSITANIA, the Cunard Line steamer sunk by a German U-boat off the coast of Cork in 1915 drowning all 1,200 on board, is one of the most famous shipwrecks in Irish waters. But a new study has discovered that the seas surrounding Ireland are littered with evidence of thousands of other maritime tragedies, with as many as 15,000 wrecks resting on the seabed.

Following one of the most extensive research programmes ever carried out by underwater archeologists, the number of wrecks discovered has soared from an initial examination six years ago of just 7,000 vessels.

A search of Lloyd’s List, the shipping insurance newspaper, has discovered 12,000 references to Irish wrecks going back centuries. A list of 11,000 has been compiled by the Department of the Environment’s underwater archaeology unit.

Separately, the Irish National Seabed Survey (INSS) has found more vessels on its scans. It has identified the decaying remains of more than 100 shipwrecks around the Donegal coast alone.

Karl Brady an archeologist with the INSS said: “We are coming across more and more wrecks as we go along. At the moment we are planning to sort and co-ordinate all the information on a computer database and that should give us a clearer picture.

“When we get it all on a database we will be able to analyse it better. We estimate we will eventually have up to 15,000 wrecks on the inventory.”

Brady said the wrecks will range from prehistoric times up to 1945 and will include dugouts, Viking longships, sailing vessels, steamers, great liners and wartime sinkings.

There are thousands more wrecks from ancient times that will never make it on to the inventory. “There is a lot of information for the 19th century and there is some for the 18th, but once you get to the 16th century and to medieval times we have very little information,” said Brady.

The research is providing new details about the ships’ cargo, the fate of passengers and crew, and attempts at salvage. “There are extraordinary stories, and survivor accounts provide a more personal and human aspect of the tragedies,” he said.

The shipwreck research project is not only leading to the discovery of previously unknown vessels but is also providing fresh details about a range of known wrecks.

The HMS Looe was a very unusual Williamite warship that was only a year old when it was sunk at Baltimore in Co Cork in 1697. The ship was patrolling off west Cork guarding against a French invasion and pirate raids.

Connie Kelleher, an underwater archeologist, said the Looe was a prototype man-of-war known as a “one and a half-decker”. Only 34 of them were ever built. After it ran aground on rocks the captain was court-martialled but acquitted. About 10 of the Looe’s cannons have been discovered.

La Trinidad Valencera, which sank off Kinnagoe Bay in Co Donegal in 1588, was the fourth largest ship in King Philip II of Spain’s ill-fated invasion armada. A requisitioned merchant Venetian galley weighing 1,100 tons, it was used to carry armaments, particularly large bronze siege guns that would have been used against British towns and cities if the invasion had succeeded.

Discovered by members of the Derry sub-aqua club, many artefacts have been recovered. Cannon and carriage wheels have been exposed on the site.

The underwater archaeology units are investigating several other Spanish armada wrecks. These include La Surveillante, the most important and probably the best preserved wreck of its kind in Irish waters. It was part of the ill-fated French expedition to support the United Irishmen and sank off Bantry Bay in Cork in 1797.

The most significant find of recent years is The Great Lewis which sank off Waterford harbour in 1645. Archeologists are almost certain the wreck, which is intact in the sand and silt, was Oliver Cromwell’s flagship and claim its importance “cannot be overestimated”.

The details on the discoveries will be kept on the unit’s archive and an inventory published in four volumes.


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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Oh, that's interesting. Maybe they will get more information on these wrecks eventually, then.


21 posted on 02/05/2006 3:57:08 PM PST by Tax-chick (Daniel Edmund ("Baby Vlad"), born January 30, 7 lbs. 1 oz., all well.)
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To: blam

Did they find Pierce Brosnan's acting career?


22 posted on 02/05/2006 3:57:16 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Tax-chick

They will have a lot of ships to get through!!


23 posted on 02/05/2006 4:06:02 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: 1rudeboy
Did they find Pierce Brosnan's acting career?

Perhaps in the South China Sea?

24 posted on 02/05/2006 4:07:01 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: ExGeeEye

Yup. 1198 listed on the monument.

HUGE shipwreck buff. :-)


25 posted on 02/05/2006 4:13:08 PM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Thanks...hope you are well.


26 posted on 02/05/2006 4:13:45 PM PST by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Mohammed)
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To: Cornpone

I'm not too bad.


27 posted on 02/05/2006 4:20:56 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: blam

Lusitania was left to fend for herself despite a Uboat being known to be in the area despite the British having escorted a ship carrying mules a week earlier. Britain wanted the US in the war. The ship was indeed carrying munitions though the ammunition was actually military ordnance the paperwork described it as 'sport ammunition-not likely to explode in bulk'.

Wrecks around irregular coasts with storms and tides are not uncommon. The USA had its share of Moon Cursers and the coasts of England and Ireland had many who displayed false lights so as to lure ships to their doom and loot them. English law made the Registrar of Wrecks the owner of a ship's cargo if 'any man or beast' survived, so villagers often made sure that sailors did not survive. Often local constabulary sided with those whose living 'came from the sea'. It is only fairly recent in history that we've come to view "harvesting the sea's bounty" to be limited to fish and not to include ships cargoes.

Everyone associates the Irish with potatoes perhaps, but the Irish were great seafarers, ate mutton and used slaves to tend their sheep.


28 posted on 02/05/2006 4:23:46 PM PST by TinkersDam
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To: blam

history bump


29 posted on 02/05/2006 5:01:14 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: Thebaddog
Irish?

Brilliant!

Find the wrecks?

Brilliant!


30 posted on 02/05/2006 5:05:49 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: blam
the seas surrounding Ireland are littered with evidence of thousands of other maritime tragedies, with as many as 15,000 wrecks resting on the seabed.

Amazing. That could mean there are how many hundreds of thousands worldwide?

Imagine the treasure trove of historical information and precious commodities!

31 posted on 02/05/2006 5:19:53 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who have dementia.)
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To: blam
drowning all 1,200 on board,

The Times has fallen far, if they have this litte regard for accuracy. Over 700 folks (one source says 761) were saved.

32 posted on 02/05/2006 5:27:27 PM PST by PAR35
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To: blam
Thanks Blam.
There are thousands more wrecks from ancient times that will never make it on to the inventory.
I'll go out on a limb right now and say some Roman-era craft of the Britons/Irish are down there. :')

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33 posted on 02/05/2006 5:58:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Balding_Eagle: Amazing. That could mean there are how many hundreds of thousands worldwide?
I heard a figure just for the Great Lakes that I worked out in my head to one sinking every six days. :')

To the list -- Forgot to ping this one on the first try, and pinged that other one twice. Go figure.
34 posted on 02/05/2006 6:00:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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To: blam

Of all the ships ever built, most have sunk.


35 posted on 02/05/2006 6:02:28 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: blam
Boats sink.

The time between launch and landing on the sea floor is purely borrowed time.

Takes balls to go on the ocean in a wooden(fiberglass/steel/concrete) coffin.
36 posted on 02/05/2006 6:17:30 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Roman-era craft?I agree.Hopefully well preserved.


37 posted on 02/05/2006 7:15:45 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: Thombo2

Dunno for sure, but I don't think any of the Gallic/British boats have turned up; the Divine Julius had to deal with sea-based hit and run (or seaborne retreat without battle) during the Gallic Wars, so bunches of them must have gone down sometime thereafter. :')


38 posted on 02/05/2006 7:24:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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To: RightWhale; Dr.Zoidberg
Probably most have sunk. But a good many have made it into other uses. In fact, probably quite a few, including modern metal hulled ships, have wound up as salvage in drydock. A good bit of the Mayflower may be seen today.

Mayflower Barn
Mayflower Barn

39 posted on 02/05/2006 7:28:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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To: TinkersDam; indcons
Lusitania was left to fend for herself despite a Uboat being known to be in the area despite the British having escorted a ship carrying mules a week earlier. Britain wanted the US in the war. The ship was indeed carrying munitions though the ammunition was actually military ordnance the paperwork described it as 'sport ammunition-not likely to explode in bulk'.
True about the munitions. Wilson's Sec'y of State told Wilson that the disaster had turned out to be what they'd suspected. The US didn't enter the war at that time (1915), waiting until after the 1916 election, in which Wilson had jailed his Socialist opponent Eugene V. Debs, and run with the slogan, "he kept us out of war." Wilson was sworn in March 4, 1917, and the declaration of war was asked for 2 April, 1917,
40 posted on 02/05/2006 7:41:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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