Democracy has a gun held to its head

Telegraph (London) ^ | 2/5/2006 | Editorial Staff

[Fruitbat]

It is a good article, but the author, as do most, misses the crux of the problem completely. "Radical" Islam is the "real" Islam. The "peaceful" variety is actually the one "breaking from tradition" and teaching.

The protesters in London with their disgraceful slogans - "Behead those who Insult Islam", "Britain you will pay - 7/7 is on its way" - have made it all but impossible for a genuinely free debate on this issue to take place.

What people don't realize, nor this author, is that whereever Islam is, so too will be "radical" or "militant" Islam. It's breeds itself among Islamic society and uses it as a hiding place. These people are cowards. Even the "peaceful" ones are cowardly b/c they don't even stand up to those that are making life miserable both for them and the rest of civilization.

Just as the slogan goes, "Not saying 'no' is just like saying 'yes'," so too, "peaceful" muslims that don't react sharply and harshly passively back "militant" or "radical" muslims.

Unlike this author suggests, the solution is to prevent the spread of Islam within any society that desires to live peacefully. Otherwise, the expectation is clear. Expect Islam, just as it has since its invention in the mid-first millenium, will seek to conquer, violently if necessary, take over, and oppress.

For the reality in that, all one has to do is look around the world and wonder and ask why Islamic countries are almost all decades if not centuries behind the times in human rights and general civility.

[Fruitbat]

You got that right. Funny how not everyone is allowed in mosques, eh!

[FerdieMurphy]

RE: sentences two and three.

These are the reasons that nations, like the US, UK, Canada, etc. need to understand that these muslims have entered the country only to consolidate their bases within those stupid host nations.

"We come in peace. We come in peace."

Reminds one of the movie "Mars Attacks."

[SuzyQue]

This newspaper would not have published the cartoons of Mohammed at the centre of this controversy, images which we regard as vulgar and fatuously insulting. But - and this is the crucial point - we reserve absolutely our right to make our own decision, free of threat and intimidation. Nonsense. The cartoons are integral to the story that they are reporting. Obviously they were intimidated into NOT publishing them.

[Steely Tom]

Suppose you and others who believe this is a World War of the scope and intensity of the first two World Wars are correct. Now, suppose that we win it.

Describe victory to me, please.

I'll give you a clue: it involves the half of the Muslim population that are currently treated like chattel property.

(steely)

[BenLurkin]

bttt

[BenLurkin]

A "Last Temptation of Mo" would be welcome indeed at this point. Unfortunately:

"Yet, even as they exploited these hard-won liberties, they were calling for them to be abolished."

Could be said about Hollywierd, also.

[SandRat]

[bboop]

Mark Steyn's column today is even better.

[Stentor]

Describe victory to me, please

From the direction of our enemies, no movement and pure silence.

[Dark Skies]

Describe victory to me, please

Actually, islam has already defined both victory and defeat by its inherent requirement that islam must dominate the world. The world has only two options...accept islam's dominance (and be converted, subjugated or killed) or expose islam for the cult it is and erase it from the world.

[FastCoyote]

["Behead those who Insult Islam", "Britain you will pay - 7/7 is on its way"
The folks carrying these two signs should've been arrested in my view. ]

I suspect something better happened. I suspect they were followed and named and someone right now is watching their little jihadi cells.

Jihadis will find
Sooner or later
Themselves worshipping
A glowing crater

[CaptRon]

The offensiveness of these views is no reason to close British mosques or Islamic newspapers.

Yet.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I'll give you a clue: it involves the half of the Muslim population that are currently treated like chattel property.

You will have better luck with the mullahs than a bunch of Stockholm Syndromed battered women.

[BenLurkin]

Both very interesting points.

I'm not sure who made the one you are responding to.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

The offensiveness of these views is no reason to close British mosques or Islamic newspapers.

What you could not coexist with if a majority you should not tolerate in ones and twos. - Me

[backhoe]

Everything I have found about The War of the 12 Cartoons ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

[Sender]

There are reasons why mosques around the world were commonly built like fortresses with thick stone walls. They knew that eventually the infidels would come with torches and pitchforks.

[WarEagle]

In this wretched affair, no sight has been more wretched than that of Jack Straw last week kowtowing to militant Islam. "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that," the Foreign Secretary said, "but there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory." How pathetic that Mr Straw did not find time to condemn the outrageous behaviour of protesters at home and abroad. Where, also, was Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, as Islamic militants called for bloodshed?

Jack Straw is an idiot and an absolute distaster as Foreign Secretary, equally as bad as he was as Home Secretary. Clarke is disaster, part deux.

Wonder where Tony Blair picks finds these clowns?

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

What is completely unacceptable is that this debate should be carried out in a climate of fear.

Two things not understood:

1. This is not a "debate". Debate is an attempt to persuade. It is haram (forbidden) for Muslims to listen to persuasion from non-Muslims. Persuasion is strictly one way. And having been granted the "mercy" of an offer to convert to Islam, strictly at the discretion of a Muslim, it is required to subjugate and permitted to kill the infidel.

2. Islam is based on fear itself.