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Amid 2008 Talk, Giuliani Flies Under Radar
AP via C-SPAN ^ | 4 Feb 06 | BETH FOUHY, AP

Posted on 02/04/2006 4:36:14 PM PST by leadpenny

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To: Sam the Sham

""Yes, I was a sleaze but once in the White House I will change"

How do you know he hasn't already changed. Please heed what Jesus said
"Those without sin, cast the first stone".
Also what the Apostle Paul said
"Judge not that ye be not judged"
As Christians(I assume you are) you should really heed the above two statements. After all, Jesus commands it.


61 posted on 02/05/2006 2:20:54 PM PST by My GOP
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To: Sam the Sham

"You are looking at Rudy and seeing what you want to see."

You are looking Rudy and pretending you are God. You don't know with 100% assuredness that he hasn't repented. Of course, you've never sinned so you have nothing to worry about(sarcasm).


62 posted on 02/05/2006 2:22:52 PM PST by My GOP
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To: My GOP

Are you saying that Christians should just ignore the moral character of a political candidate, ignore the facts, and magically imagine that he has somehow 'changed' ? Is that grownup thinking ?

You sound like a silly girl taking back her cheating, abusive boyfriend.

"Yes, I know. But maybe he'll change".

And "judge not" doesn't mean that Christians aren't supposed to notice or call attention to sin, much as secularists wish it did. John the Baptist lost his head for 'judging' Herod's incestuous marriage. Holy men of God are continually calling attention to sin in political leaders throughout the Bible.


63 posted on 02/05/2006 2:32:20 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

"Are you saying that Christians should just ignore the moral character of a political candidate, ignore the facts, and magically imagine that he has somehow 'changed"


The entire principle of salvation is that people can and do change. Please go reread the Cruxification. One of the criminals that was on one of the crosses beside Jesus repented and changed right there. People can and do change and they do that through the salvation given by Jesus Christ. If you don't believe that and believe people are either born righteous and others unrighteous and they stay that way their entire lives then you don't believe or understand the most basic and important tenet of Christianity.


64 posted on 02/05/2006 2:37:19 PM PST by My GOP
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To: Sam the Sham
The next time a politician says, "Yes, I was a sleaze but once in the White House I will change", the public will not buy it. The stakes are just too high. Are the Rudy boosters on this board really thrilled about the idea of Bernie Kerik perusing Patriot Act files ?

Heheh....beautiful.....love it, Sam.

And don't forget Rudy's undisguised worship of liberals. Rudy appointed two of Liberal Party head Ray Harding's sons to top jobs in his administration.

Disgustingly, Rudy looked the other way when perverted psycho child molester Russell Harding was looting and stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (that we know of) as the NYC Housing Development Corp head. Greedy lowlife perv Harding even gave himself raises and benefits that were not in his pay package.

Harding was caught online enjoying kiddie porn web sites and he took gay vacations on the taxpayers dime, paying for his "buff buddies" trips with tax funds.

When the issue became public, Rudy was still pandering to the Hardings, fellating the liberals, saying " I feel bad for the Harding family."

Rudy had nothing to say to law-abiding taxpayers who got ripped off by this perverted criminal.

Harding is now in jail.

65 posted on 02/05/2006 3:28:34 PM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Sonny M
.....Rudy's explanation of his social positions, doesn't get voters to understand him, it enrages them......

That statement leaps out atcha......it evidences Rudy's elitist, unmitigated contempt for Values Voters, and his constant rubbing salt in the wounds of pro-life Christians.

Never in a million years can Rudy adequately explain to law-abiding Ameircans, his actions vis a vis perverted lowlife child molester Russell Harding that exposes Rudy's undisguised worship of liberals.

As I posted earlier, Rudy appointed two of Liberal Party head Ray Harding's sons to top jobs in his administration.

Disgustingly, Rudy looked the other way when perverted psycho child molester Russell Harding was looting and stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (that we know of) as the NYC Housing Development Corp head. Greedy lowlife perv Harding even gave himself raises and benefits that were not in his pay package.

Harding was caught online enjoying kiddie porn web sites and he took gay vacations on the taxpayers dime, paying for his "buff buddies" trips with tax funds.

When the issue became public, Rudy was still pandering to the Hardings, fellating the liberals, saying " I feel bad for the Harding family."

Rudy had nothing to say to law-abiding taxpayers who got ripped off by this perverted criminal.

Harding is now in jail.

66 posted on 02/05/2006 3:41:16 PM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: My GOP; Sam the Sham; Sonny M
SAM POSTED: "Are you saying that Christians should just ignore the moral character of a political candidate, ignore the facts, and magically imagine that he has somehow 'changed"

MY GOP REPLY: The entire principle of salvation is that people can and do change.

Sure wrongdoers can change through Christ .........but nowhere did Jesus say we have to elect these people to public office.

67 posted on 02/05/2006 3:46:35 PM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Liz

"Sure wrongdoers can change through Christ .........but nowhere did Jesus say we have to elect these people to public office."

You can vote for or against whoever you want for what reason who want. However, the notion that we should elect people who have not committed wrongs in the past if flawed. You see, EVERYONE has sinned and thus committed wrongs in their lives. If we use your litmus test that we can't elect "wrongdoers" to office then NOBODY is qualified for office. Man, I'm on a role today making these judgmental Christians look bad.


68 posted on 02/05/2006 5:25:49 PM PST by My GOP
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To: WVNan

"I think that Romney is going to be the most formidable candidate"

You really think a Mormon can be elected POTUS?
I don't think so.


69 posted on 02/05/2006 5:30:22 PM PST by Cincinna (The ARKANSAS GRIFTERS want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: JHBowden
You remember Guiliani's opposition to the anti-Christian Brooklyn Museum art exhibit, right?

THAT'S your evidence he's going to appoint constructionist judges?

You're more easily bought than I am.

70 posted on 02/05/2006 5:30:26 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who have dementia.)
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To: leadpenny

Rudy is the most formidable opponent for any Democrat.

Different issues weigh differently in each election.
If terrorism is still on the front burner, and the riots and rampage over the cartoons tell me this is the BIG STORY for the next five years, Rudy is the man.

He is brilliant, socially conservative on most issues, with the guts to actually back it up. Have you forgotten his witholding funds froim the Brooklyn Museum over the Madonna w. doo-doo?

He is personally courageous and does what is right. What other public official had the courage to throw Arafat out of Lincoln Center and restrict his movements in the city?

Think back to his 2004 speech at the RNC.


71 posted on 02/05/2006 5:35:15 PM PST by Cincinna (The ARKANSAS GRIFTERS want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: Sonny M

Rudy's personal life has never been an issue.
Donna Hanover is about as despised as you can be. After the things she pulled when Rudy was Mayor, refusing to appear with him, refusing to take his name, refusing to campaign for him, manipulating her children against him, refusing to vacate Gracie Mansion after they separated...she wanted to stay on and get the perks.
This woman is a piece of work. No one took her side in the split.


72 posted on 02/05/2006 5:40:28 PM PST by Cincinna (The ARKANSAS GRIFTERS want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: JHBowden; Sonny M
I will be able to sleep at night knowing he will do whatever it takes to keep our Republic secure.

Yup, starting with a national-level "Sullivan Law".

Hey, it worked to keep NYC safe, right?

Oh, right. It didn't. Oh well, he's not only pro-abortion, but he's pro-gun-control too, so there's no reason to try to get him to "compromise his principles". I mean, so what if anywhere West of the Hudson he'd be flagged a a Liberal Democrat (other than for his Happy-R Elephant Badge). I am confident that the GOP will be able to once again deliver the same kind of stunning victory it delivered in the Dole-Clinton race.

73 posted on 02/05/2006 7:34:20 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Oh, a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-gun liberal from New York.

Can you feel the excitement in the Heartland?

No?

No? You can't?

You must be, um, "feeling around the wrong places".

Try feeling around the local Democratic Party HQ and see what kind of reading you get. I'm betting on Excitement++

74 posted on 02/05/2006 7:36:18 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Sam the Sham
And Rudy has a mean, petty streak a mile wide. There is a certainty about him that he is God's chosen instrument to punish the sinful. Militant self-righteousness looks like leadership from a distance. On closer inspection, he is a campaign gaffe waiting to happen, like the Dean scream.

He's also got a giant economy sized skeleton in his closet named "Kerik."

What? Don't tell me the reason the Dems have been letting that scandal slide is because they wanted to be nice guys? LOL! Something that big you save for a really really special event -- like the sinking of a Presidential campaign.

75 posted on 02/05/2006 7:42:13 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: leadpenny
New York's celebrity senator, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, generates near-constant buzz about a possible 2008 presidential bid.

her lead will s(t)ink and she'll be a non-entity by 2007

76 posted on 02/05/2006 7:44:07 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: JHBowden

I'll support him as well because A) he's a proven leader after 9/11 and B) it will PISS off the psycho rag heads with the thought of us having a Jew as president. (He is jewish, right?)


77 posted on 02/05/2006 7:48:12 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: T.L.Sink; Liz
I'm disappointed that you choose to dwell on Rudy's past personal life rather than his position on the issues. If we want to play the game of the politics of self-destruction why not talk about Bush the drunk 20 years ago. Do you think that would be fair? I hope not. I'm going to be choosing a candidate on the matters of national security and fiscal responsibility -- not who comes closest to St.Francis in his past personal life.

Are you for real?

WTF do you think the Democrats are gonna do with "The Kerik Portfolio"?

Playing ostrich-in-the-sand -- or even WORSE, scolding someone else for NOT playing that game -- is reprehensible, and severely naive!

The Rudi-dude is "The 'Dole Candidate' for the 21st Century." If the GOP hangs its hopes on that leftist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-gun control LIBERAL -- compromised up the yinyang -- simply because he's got some perceived "tuff-guy" personna, and, the Magic "R" on his voter reg. card, then the party will deserve to be creamed every bit as hard as it was when it hung its hopes on Bob "Used-up, but it's HIS TURN" Dole.

Reaching for the Excedrin... [Argh!]

78 posted on 02/05/2006 7:49:13 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: TroutFishingInAmerica

At this point the world situation is ULTRA dangerous//We on on the doorstep of WW3 ..Under these circunstances who give a damn who he roomed with? Rudy is serious on national security. He can get the job done RIGHT , the first time. Thats the only real issue in the next few years..Go take a look at the Muslims tearing down buildings ove a cartoon today> Look at the massive of radical Islam and the real good possiblity of a WMD in the next few years. Thats what people care about , not who he roomed with . Won't matter .


79 posted on 02/05/2006 7:50:13 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: My GOP; Sonny M
No, I knew he started dating his current wife Judith Nathan when things got rocky with Hanover. I just didn't know of any others women in his life around that time. But anyways, its not my job to judge him or any other human beings either. There is only one Judge and lucky He's a forgiving judge if forgiveness is asked. While nobody on this board knows if Giuliani has aknowledged his shortcomings and asked forgiveness for them he certainly could have.

Well golly, if we're gonna be THAT "forgiving" and "understanding", why don't we just drop ALL pretense, and go for the real thing? I hear Hillary is gonna be running too. If we're gonna go for the morally compromised, politically leftist candidate, we may as well get the genuine article instead of a cheap knockoff, donchathink? :)

I mean, how much more is there to "forgive" and "understand" concerning Hillary? Not much -- if any!

80 posted on 02/05/2006 7:57:31 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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