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Bush urges US Congress to lift H-1B visa limit
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| February 03, 2006
| Sridhar Krishnaswami
Posted on 02/04/2006 4:38:34 AM PST by Tyche
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To: hedgetrimmer
You didn't answer the question. Some want naturalization, some just want to work here for 4-5 years they leave (just as others want to come here for school, etc). You can split your answer among them if it makes a difference, since the distinction is yours. How many highly skilled law abiding immigrants do you want, and is it greater than zero? <p.
541
posted on
02/05/2006 8:02:56 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: JasonC
there are no permanent classes in the US I agree. Nothing is permanent!
542
posted on
02/05/2006 8:04:10 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
To: hedgetrimmer
That's the whole economy, of course. And corporate profits are less than a tenth of it. And those are owned by half the population. So tired, all the old socialist rhetoric. What on earth is it doing on FR?
543
posted on
02/05/2006 8:04:24 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: maui_hawaii; Paul Ross
Yes, I agree.
Heres the question to which Ive gotten only a few honest answers from some libertarian types who absolutely despise TARRIFFS.
Would you trade a system wherein all revenue was generated by TARIFFS combined with radical TAX REFORM (eliminating all income and capital gains taxes as they presently exist, and replacing with a consumption tax) for the present system we now have?
544
posted on
02/05/2006 8:06:41 AM PST
by
Dat Mon
(Mr President, pick up the phone and tell DIA to stop the persecution of Lt Col Shaffer)
To: Bigun
Yes we have to compete, no we are not on any path to destruction. We are thriving, rich, prospering. The global economy is something we created that has fabulously enriched us first and foremost. Yes it means working, absolutely right. We invented the concept, and we excel at it. I can't stand the pointless and utterly groundless gloom and doom and scaremongering nonsense that passes for political thought among ideologues. The economy is not a source of doom. It isn't coming to kill you all. Men work because that is the nature of things, and they prosper when they work hard. So work hard and prosper, and be thankful for the freedom and opportunity and prosperity all around you.
545
posted on
02/05/2006 8:08:51 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: Bigun
There is no such thing as a "lie of free trade" my friend!
Explain to me how the WTO makes trade "free".
546
posted on
02/05/2006 8:09:13 AM PST
by
hedgetrimmer
("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
To: JasonC
Yes I did answer the question. You just left out a very critical piece of it.
547
posted on
02/05/2006 8:12:43 AM PST
by
hedgetrimmer
("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
To: Bigun
we need to stop lowering ourselves to the standard of other, socialism-inclined countries. If we could ditch the anchor of big government none of this would matter. Otherwise we eventually become serfs. Then we will be able to work as hard as we are commanded by our masters...
I think this is why FairTax is necessary. But it may be too late...
548
posted on
02/05/2006 8:12:59 AM PST
by
no-s
To: JasonC
The global economy is something we created that has fabulously enriched us first and foremost. Exactly so! I don't recall saying anything contrary to that but perhaps I did by inference for which I apologize.
The road to destruction I have spoken of is that of not carrying out our responsibilities as citizens and nothing more.
549
posted on
02/05/2006 8:15:56 AM PST
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: JasonC
"free traders" are implementing global socialism with your 'system'. My post said nothing socialistic.Its a funny trick how "free traders" always accuse others of what they themselves are doing.
550
posted on
02/05/2006 8:16:12 AM PST
by
hedgetrimmer
("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
To: Fee
Now reality is irrelevant and it is supposed to be just about polls. OK. The answer is, we haven't won the war in Iraq yet and brought all the boys home. And the MSM continue to be watched by most of the population, rather more than FR and the blogosphere. And the Republicans will hold Congress anyway, because the people they are running against are Democrats, who are clueless traitors.
The economy is not a problem. The Dems might have run on it instead of the war back in 2002, when we actually had a recession, but that is long past and there is nothing there anymore. Pols just can't adjust to economic realities and talk about real issues, their spin machines must allege crap about the economy because their entire ideological structures are built around their crackpot economic prescriptions.
As for immigration, that is a real political issue, but not because it has any massive economic impact or is ruining the economy. We have an assimilation problem with Mexican immigrants and a law enforcement problem, and we ought to deal with both, forcefully. Which has nothing to do with highly skilled and desired legal immigrants for all over the world, who want to come here to work (not loaf), and present no such problems. By all means, hold Congress's feet to the fire over enforcement and welfare eligibility and English, I'm with you 100%.
When you try to turn those things into opposition to *all* immigration, when you try to make it some economic idea that any immigration impoverishes us, you are just wrong, and we part company. Legal immigration of skilled and willing workers helps our economy. It built our economy from nothing to the envy of the world. We do not need to kill that goose, to deal with the border problem.
551
posted on
02/05/2006 8:17:15 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: hedgetrimmer
Where have you seen any reference to "WTO" in anything I have posted here?
552
posted on
02/05/2006 8:17:18 AM PST
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Paul Ross
Which is 5% of GDP, that is less than 1 years nominal or 2 years real, growth, and a solid chunk of which is oil spike related and temporary. Our interest rates might be 1-2% higher, the direction they are headed. No problem.
553
posted on
02/05/2006 8:20:58 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: no-s
I think this is why FairTax is necessary. But it may be too late... It is NEVER EVER "to late and enactment of the FairTax into law would be an excellent first step along the path to repairing the damage leftist infiltrators have done to our country.
554
posted on
02/05/2006 8:22:32 AM PST
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Dat Mon
I am not a liberatarian at all.
To answer your question, anyone who uses the word "all" starts getting into funny business if you ask me.
Here is an ideal situation according to me:
These are in no order...
1. America has fundamental trade reform. Meaning, ultimately we start with our top 10 trade partners and we start to hash out real free trade going BOTH directions. That in essence eliminates tarriffs and by agreement undue government interference.
Take the current standards we play by and up them. Set a goal to eliminate 20% of the systematic BS between us and a given trade partner over each 2 year period. Hence our trade agreements will be ongoing, evolving, and improving over time.
This will ultimately eliminate tarriffs for those countries who are willing to play ball and draw close to us.
For those who are half done or wrought out of convienience I say put tarriffs on them. Put them on an increasing tarriff schedule until they negotiate. Of course there should be common sense applied because things don't happen overnight... but none the less for those that fall halfway in between true Free Trade and the 'whatevers'...ie those that are lukewarm in opening to us....tax them out of existence until they negotiate and give us the stuff we want.
On one hand we will be expanding our network of true blue effective Free Trade Agreements but on the other we will be cutting the leeches off of our economy.
I would say within 10 years we could end up with true bi-directional Free Trade with 30 countries or more, all done by law in both countries. All this lukewarm crap has to walk.
2. On income taxes and that jive the Fair Tax doesn't sound too bad. All the April filing and stuff like that is archaic. You got deductions for this or that etc etc. We need a more fair and more efficient model.
I don't know how the Fair Tax thing works in minute detail but those who in the end need tax refunds will then apply on an as needed basis. IE those who are dirt poor, et al...
Thats my answer.
To: hedgetrimmer
You said a few multinationals ar the only ones profiting from the robust strength of the US economy, which is a typical socialist propaganda line, false, and a conscious lie. And nobody is implementing global socialism. There are some EU types and some liberals who would like to, but they aren't in charge. Kyoto is dead because the US doesn't want anything of the kind and our leaders know that and act on it. Capitalism isn't going anywhere. It is the natural economic system and it is only going to spread and deepen.
The only serious threat to the world economy right now, is security related fears to oil supply due to the war and especially Iran's pursuit of nukes. Longer term we have grand strategy issues with China and Russia, and political issues domestically with our own left, especially its remaining cultural and educational influence. I say remaining because politically and intellectually we are kicking their tails.
556
posted on
02/05/2006 8:27:12 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: All
You know...maybe they are right, and Im wrong.
OKAY...lets have UNLIMITED GUEST WORKER AND HIB visas....
BUT ONLY.....
For those who take a standardized IQ test...IN ENGLISH....
and score at 160 IQ or above.
Can somebody calculate how many people that would be, given the combined technically educated and ENGLISH SPEAKING population numbers in China and India. after all, you cant contribute effectively in an English speaking country if you don't even know the native tongue...can you?
Generously assume a mean of 110, and a sigma of 15 points for the distribution.
(Hint...160 is at the mean plus /minus 3.3 sigma level...hmmmm..)
557
posted on
02/05/2006 8:28:46 AM PST
by
Dat Mon
(Mr President, pick up the phone and tell DIA to stop the persecution of Lt Col Shaffer)
To: JasonC
And the Republicans will hold Congress anyway, because the people they are running against are Democrats, who are clueless traitors. The main reason why Democrats are doomed to lose is because they abandoned the previous New Deal platform and replaced it it with atheism, abortion and "gay marriage". Otherwise they would be winning by landslides like FDR did. On issues like globalism, open borders and "free" trade they do not differ from Republicans.
558
posted on
02/05/2006 8:31:58 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
To: JasonC
And nobody is implementing global socialism
Really? Have you looked into the activities of the WTO lately?
Kyoto is dead because the US doesn't want anything of the kind
Its not dead in California, our illustrious REPUBLICAN governor Schwarzensocialist is implementing it here.
The only serious threat to the world economy right now,
Is the spread of communism and slavery, made possible by the "free traders" who are enriching communist despots with fabulous wealth.
559
posted on
02/05/2006 8:33:01 AM PST
by
hedgetrimmer
("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
To: Dat Mon
What we have on trade right now is a hodge podge of half thought out garbage riddled with special interests. Its more full of loopholes than the tax code.
Under my above mentioned plan it truly will step on some toes. Some companies will truly be taxed out of doing business with some countries. They will not at all like it and will scream 'protectionist' to everyone involved.
In the end we will funnel our money into those countries that funnell their money to us. Everyone has a fair shake.
Its truly working smarter not just harder.
Pretty much anyone can get an FTA under the system, but they have to abide by it, and we mean business.
We could wind up with 50 FTA agreements...or more... it just depends on how far the others want to go to be a part of it.
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