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The Belmont Club | February 3, 2005 | Wretchard

Posted on 02/03/2006 4:55:59 PM PST by 68skylark

It's possible to regard the cartoon crisis as either a strategic disaster or boon for the War on Terror. The argument for it being a disaster is the assertion that in the war against extremists it is necessary to win over the moderates. And even if winning them over is impossible one may still be capable of keeping them neutral or indifferent; but at all events to avoid raising the Muslim masses in an emotional war against the West. The Danish cartoon crisis has managed to ignite what the Bush administration hoped to avoid from the beginning: turning the War on Terror into a War with Islam. Now an incident arising from a relatively obscure newspaper in Denmark has forced a choice between the most deeply held of all Western values, freedom of speech, with the cherished strategic goal of keeping the Muslim "street" aboard in the War on Terror.

The argument for regarding the Danish cartoons as a boon is premised on the belief that President Bush's attempt to separate the War on Terror from Islam was doomed to fail anyway; that it was better to face that question now than later. According to this point of view, a view reinforced by the election of Hamas in the Palestinian territories, cultural and religious issues were at the root of international conflict. That mere voting -- in Palestine for example -- would never be sufficient to establish a liberal democracy for as long as the underlying culture remained hostile and aggressive to democracy's roots. 

Ralph Peters argued that America's shiny weapons were striking at the wrong targets. The West was, like it or not, engaged in a contest of cultures, one it did not know how to fight.

The suicide bomber's willingness to discard civilization's cherished rules for warfare gives him enormous strength. In the Cain-and-Abel conflicts of the 21st century, ruthlessness trumps technology. We refuse to comprehend the suicide bomber's soul--even though today's wars are contests of souls, and belief is our enemy's ultimate order of battle. We write off the suicide bomber as a criminal, a wanton butcher, a terrorist. Yet, within his spiritual universe, he's more heroic than the American soldier who throws himself atop a grenade to spare his comrades: He isn't merely protecting other men, but defending his god. The suicide bomber can justify any level of carnage because he's doing his god's will. We agonize over a prisoner's slapped face, while our enemies are lauded as heroes for killing innocent masses (even of fellow believers). We continue to narrow our view of warfare's acceptable parameters even as our enemies amplify the concept of total war. ...

The hallmark of our age is the failure of belief systems and a subsequent flight back to primitive fundamentalism--and the phenomenon isn't limited to the Middle East. Faith revived is running roughshod over science and civilization. Secular societies appear increasingly fragmented, if not fragile. The angry gods are back. And they will not be defeated with cruise missiles or computer codes.

A paradox of our time is that the overwhelmingly secular global media--a collection of natural-born religion-haters--have become the crucial accomplices of the suicide bomber fueled by rabid faith. Mass murderers are lionized as freedom fighters, while our own troops are attacked by the press they protect for the least waywardness or error. One begins to wonder if the bomber's suicidal impulse isn't matched by a deep death wish affecting the West's cultural froth. (What if Darwin was right conceptually, but failed to grasp that homo sapiens' most powerful evolutionary strategy is faith?) Both the suicide bomber and the "world intellectual" with his reflexive hatred of America exist in emotional realms that our rational models of analysis cannot explain. The modern age's methods for interpreting humanity are played out.

We live in a new age of superstition and bloodthirsty gods, of collective madness. Its icons are the suicide bomber, the veil, and the video camera. ...

We are not (yet) at war with Islam, but the extreme believers within Islam are convinced that they are soldiers in a religious war against us. Despite their rhetoric, they are the crusaders. Even our conceptions of the struggle are asymmetrical. Despite the horrors we have witnessed, we have yet to take religious terrorists seriously on their own self-evident terms. We invaded a succession of their tormented countries, but haven't come close to penetrating their souls. The hermetic universe of the Islamist terrorist is immune to our reality (if not to our bullets), but our intellectuals appear equally incapable of accepting the religious extremist's reality.

Samuel Huntington wrote in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article that the primary driver of international conflicts in the 21st century would be a clash of civilizations.

"It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future."

This does not mean that all-out hostilities between Islam and the West are unavoidable. But it does imply that cultural conflict and competition is inevitable and that these clashes must be played out on some sort of battlefield, though not necessarily a physical one. The attitude of many Western intellectuals paralyzed by the cult of multiculturalism is ironically that "they don't do culture". Mark Steyn understood that multiculturalism was fundamentally about evading cultural conflicts rather than resolving them. In the New Criterion he wrote: "the great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn’t involve knowing anything about other cultures—the capital of Bhutan, the principal exports of Malawi, who cares? All it requires is feeling good about other cultures. It’s fundamentally a fraud, and I would argue was subliminally accepted on that basis".

The challenge raised by Peters, Huntington and Steyn is to accept the existence of a clash of civilizations and find modalities -- preferably peaceful ones -- in which to resolve them.

No one can foresee where the Danish cartoon controversy will lead. At best both sides will return to their lines of departure after having made their points, each with a renewed respect for the other. The West should understand, if it didn't realize it before, that Muslims are willing to fight for their religion. And Muslims should understand, from the cartoon controversy, that whatever they had heard to the contrary it goes double ditto for the West. And in the long run that grudging respect may make the the process of winning over the Muslim moderates easier than feigning the cheap and superficial attitude of multiculturalism. For who in Islam would believe in us if we did not believe in ourselves? Who in Islam could trust that we would fight at their side if we could not defend all that we were, all that we believed?


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1 posted on 02/03/2006 4:56:00 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Well, per Huntington, identity wars end either in standstill [in which case they do not truly end, but are merely interrupted and postponed], or in genocide.


2 posted on 02/03/2006 5:01:45 PM PST by GSlob
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To: 68skylark

I am convinced the cultural war between islam and the West will grow and mostly likely explode into unimagined levels. I am also convinced that the West will suffer much damage due to it's politically correct responses. Oh, we will win, but not as easily as we could/should.


3 posted on 02/03/2006 5:01:59 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: 68skylark

*Bump*


4 posted on 02/03/2006 5:04:25 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: 68skylark
Like many people, I find this war confusing, and I have a vague sense that we don't really know how to fight this war well.

Ideally, we'd like to use persuasion against most of our adversaries, rather than kill them. But the tools just aren't in our toolbox. And the folks who could be helping -- like universities, and the press -- are cheering on the bad guys.

Still, raw military isn't a bad way to fight this war -- it's not the best approach, but it still works pretty well until someone comes up with better ideas. I've got no problem with the brute force approach -- let's not sell it short.

5 posted on 02/03/2006 5:05:34 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: umgud
I am convinced the cultural war between islam and the West will grow and mostly likely explode into unimagined levels.

What are you talking about? Do you foresee nuclear or other WMD attacks on this country? That would be a castrophe, I agree, but not a likely one, IMHO.

6 posted on 02/03/2006 5:07:43 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
From the article:

The challenge raised by Peters, Huntington and Steyn is to accept the existence of a clash of civilizations and find modalities -- preferably peaceful ones -- in which to resolve them.

There can be no peace with a nuclear-armed Iran.

7 posted on 02/03/2006 5:13:08 PM PST by zipper
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To: 68skylark

No I don't at this time, forsee nuke attacks on our soil by the muzzies. I actually think that we could easily stomp any muzzie country. I do think that they can escalate pain and misery here and in Europe thru terrorist acts. Here is where we will have a problem, muzzies can't live peacefully with the West, yet we have many here. The best action the West can do is to expell the muzzies, but PCism and the need for oil will impede this.


8 posted on 02/03/2006 5:13:55 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: 68skylark
Mad Mo's followers have declared war against Western Civilization. The way to fight this is not to invite them to the White House for dinner or issue proclamations.We need to fight fire with fire and that means let Israel do what it needs to do and it means that if we're hit we pound back and I'd start with taking out Mecca and kicking out every muzzie from Israel.
9 posted on 02/03/2006 5:17:16 PM PST by Founding Father (The War Against Western Civilization Has Begun)
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To: umgud
I understand your point -- thanks for the clarification.

In the West today -- whether in Europe or the U.S. -- our cultural values won't let us expel people simply for their religion.

I suppose that might change if terrorist attacks get bad enough, but honestly that's hard to imagine. And I don't think it would be as much of a "solution" as you do anyway -- we'd still be subject to attacks of different forms (mostly in Europe, not here).

10 posted on 02/03/2006 5:17:24 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: Founding Father
We need to fight fire with fire and that means let Israel do what it needs to do and it means that if we're hit we pound back and I'd start with taking out Mecca and kicking out every muzzie from Israel.

Well I admire your spirited views, I guess. But I'm not sure what your "solutions" would solve.

11 posted on 02/03/2006 5:19:12 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: zipper

Either we stike them first, or they will surely stike us first.

They are play with fire (thermonuclear weapons). So are we.


12 posted on 02/03/2006 5:20:23 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: GSlob

Identity wars end the way the wars of religion in Europe ended. When the zealots and fanatics are exhausted or dead or have simply bitterly accepted that they can't have what they want.


13 posted on 02/03/2006 5:32:07 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: zipper
There can be no peace with a nuclear-armed Iran.,/i>

The article implies a "nuclear armed" culture. Not a state.

14 posted on 02/03/2006 5:34:53 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: Sam the Sham
Religion wars in Europe were intracivilizational, not inter-. Thus they did not rise to the level of true identity wars. A glimpse of identity wars could be seen in Srebrenitsa.
15 posted on 02/03/2006 5:39:49 PM PST by GSlob
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To: 68skylark
And the folks who could be helping -- like universities, and the press -- are cheering on the bad guys.

...with the subtle encouragement from 'rat congress critters and Senators.

16 posted on 02/03/2006 5:45:37 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: GSlob

The sack of Magdeburg made Srebrenitsa look like a tea party.


17 posted on 02/03/2006 5:47:10 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: umgud

It will end when Mecca is nuked.


18 posted on 02/03/2006 5:50:56 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: umgud

I worry that we will contain the problem, maybe continue to slowly make progress and lose the white house in 08. The new Democrat wil pull out the troops dismantle domestic security, will wall off those creepy spies over at CIA. And then we get hit, maybe lose a city center. The Democrat responds weakly, investigates interminably and takes no action. A year later or sooner we get hit hard in half a dozen places. President gorelary panics in exasperation that hir perceived allies have betrayed hem and starts wildly launching the nuclear arsenal at spectacular but militarily low value targets, I believe we will ultimately prevail but at a much higher cost.


19 posted on 02/03/2006 5:56:59 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Taking out Mecca will not end this. It will put it into deepfreze again for a century or so -then it has to be done all over again.


20 posted on 02/03/2006 5:59:46 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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