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Unemployment rate dropped to 4.7% in January - 193,000 New Jobs
February 3, 2006

Posted on 02/03/2006 5:36:15 AM PST by new yorker 77

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To: eraser2005

But the result after the tax increase (and it should be noted that it was very clear early in the year that clinton was going to reneg on his campaign promise of middle-class tax relief and seek a major tax increase -- businesses and investors started planning accordingly even before the tax hike became law) growth started SLOWING almost immediately. After the Bush tax cuts, the economy started growing at a faster rate. And still reeling from 9/11 and the war on terror, the economy picked up steam following the second round of Bush tax cuts. Oh, and by the way, what precipitated that brief recession during the term of GHW Bush's presidency? Oh yeah, it was that compromise with the democrats tax increase that caused him to be a one-term president.


201 posted on 02/03/2006 1:31:22 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Moonman62
I would still appreciate your help explaining the largest inflationary periods in our economy's history. Why, why, why?

If you are talking about the Carter years, that was mainly the result of a supply side shock brought on by the OPEC manipulation of the oil markets.

202 posted on 02/03/2006 1:33:26 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: new yorker 77

Obviously, the worst economy since the depression.


203 posted on 02/03/2006 1:34:16 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: 1rudeboy
Michigan's unemployment rate was 6.2% when Engler left office. Look it up here:

BLS regional report, January 2003

The budget numbers are available on the Michigan Office of the Budget's website.

Michigan Office of the Budget

You're going to find your info is flat out wrong because you've decided that Engler left office 2 years before he actually did.

I think if you look carefully, the budget and unemployment situation in Michigan are VERY closely correlated to the fates of the Big 3 - which are determined by their mismanagement and the unions, not by the governor.

204 posted on 02/03/2006 1:45:27 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: Moonman62
Why, why, why?

Hmmm.  I never thought of it that way, I see your point. 

Cheers!

205 posted on 02/03/2006 1:51:59 PM PST by expat_panama (There's a million kinds of people-- them that understands numbers, and the rest of us.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Yes, the year before Clinton took office, GDP growth was 4.15%. In the trailing twelve months before the tax hike passed, growth was 2.74%. After the tax hike, growth picked up, as said before, to 4.29% in the twelve months following the tax hike. So with both the tax cut and the tax rise we've seen a spike in GDP growth followed by a contraction in growth for 12-24 months out. Longer term growth rates are almost identical, as said many times before....


206 posted on 02/03/2006 1:59:25 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
When did Engler leave office, January of 2003? How are you coming up with the notion that I'm off by two years? I'm showing that I was off by one year (that's what I get for doing things from memory), wondering what relevance it has to my last comment on this thread, and laughing in your face.
207 posted on 02/03/2006 1:59:30 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: expat_panama

why? Why? WHY?

208 posted on 02/03/2006 2:03:38 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

2003-2001=2

If you want to continue to delude yourself into thinking that Michigan was in good shape in 2001, 2002, 2003, or any year since, feel free. There's no point in trying to get you past your delusions and into reality any more.


209 posted on 02/03/2006 2:10:00 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: Rparr28922

Nonetheless,

Employment prayers offered for you.


210 posted on 02/03/2006 2:23:34 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: eraser2005

When did Engler leave office? Straight question.


211 posted on 02/03/2006 2:27:51 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Rparr28922

I hope you find something soon. Whats your background?


213 posted on 02/03/2006 2:41:36 PM PST by DeaconNoGood
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To: eraser2005

Is that the new standard? A governor (who spent more than 10 years in office) should be judged by the last two years of his term? Why? (I'm asking you for the third time).


214 posted on 02/03/2006 2:43:06 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: eraser2005

You read the stories, right? They said that the BLS revised FIVE months of data as part of the overall adjustment of the numbers the govt. makes every year.

-george


215 posted on 02/03/2006 3:01:19 PM PST by Calif Conservative (RWR and GWB backer)
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To: eraser2005; VRWCmember
They were retroactive - but you can't retroactively lower GDP growth.

Clinton's tax hike didn't pass until August 1993, but we knew it was coming.

February 15, 1993 : Less than one month after Inauguration, Clinton backtracked from his campaign promise to lower taxes for the middle class. From the oval office Clinton said "I had hoped to invest in your future by creating jobs, expanding education, reforming health care and reducing the debt without asking more of you ... but I can't."

I don't suppose you think this knowledge could have reduced growth before August 1993?

We went from +4.2, +3.9, +4.0, +4.5 in 1992 to +0.5, +2.0, +2.1, +5.5 in 1993. I guess the drop from +4.5 to +0.5 happens all the time at that point in a recovery? Nothing to do with anticipated hikes? And you know why the 4Q93 growth was so high, don't you?

216 posted on 02/03/2006 3:04:03 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: new yorker 77

I thought this here "outsourcing" was supposed to kill all our jobs and ruin our economy. Guess the doom-and-gloomers are proven wrong yet again.


218 posted on 02/03/2006 4:27:40 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Blizzard coming to Northeast U.S.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

There was a drop in GDP in 4Q02 to 0.2%, 5 quarters into the recovery. The drop to 0.5% occurred 8 quarters in. I guess the 4Q02 drop was in anticipation of the tax cut then?


219 posted on 02/03/2006 4:32:24 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
There was a drop in GDP in 4Q02 to 0.2%, 5 quarters into the recovery.

Interesting. It dropped from +2.4 to +0.2.

The drop to 0.5% occurred 8 quarters in.

Yes, it dropped from +4.5 to +0.5.

So, after the talk of a hike, growth dropped 4.0%. The Bush drop was 2.2%.

You never told me why the 4Q93 growth was so high.

I guess your entire point is that people don't change their behavior when tax rates change?

220 posted on 02/03/2006 4:51:07 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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