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By pushing for a filibuster, Kerry alienated fellow Democrats
The New Republic ^ | 2/3/06 | Michael Crowley

Posted on 02/02/2006 9:48:03 PM PST by LdSentinal

Moments before Monday's vote on whether to filibuster the nomination of Samuel Alito, John Kerry was speaking to a near-empty Senate chamber. In his typical stentorian fashion, Kerry was arguing for a filibuster of the Supreme Court nominee, an effort the Massachusetts senator had single-handedly initiated a few days earlier to the open chagrin of fellow Democrats like Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. "What could possibly be more important than this?" asked Kerry, who stood alone amid a sea of empty desks. But Kerry's plea for relevancy didn't cause much of a stir until his Massachusetts colleague and filibuster partner, Ted Kennedy, rose to unleash a bellowing anti-Alito stemwinder. With a reddening face and hoarse voice, Kennedy waved his arms and smacked his podium with his open hand. The commotion caused a crew of usually blasé reporters to scurry from their workstations and into the Senate press balcony to watch. "There is nothing that's more important than the vote we cast on the Supreme Court, except sending young Americans to war!" Kennedy thundered. When the old lion's mighty lungs finally ceased, Kerry strolled over and firmly shook Kennedy's hand. From up in the press section, one could overhear Kennedy say, "Thanks, John," in commendation of Kerry's leading role in the last-ditch fight against Alito. Before he departed, Kerry threw a noticeable glance up at the now-crowded press section, clearly measuring the response.

In a vacuum, this would have appeared a heady moment for John Kerry. But, by most measures, Kerry's gambit was a flop. In substantive terms, the filibuster vote was a blowout: Only 25 of the 41 Democrats needed to block a confirmation vote sided with Kerry, and many of them did so grudgingly. In political terms, it was even worse. Kerry's last-minute stand spoon-fed reporters a story line of Democratic division and infighting. What's more, Democrats complained that this Gallipoli charge had handed Republicans an easy victory on the eve of the State of the Union--and had drowned out their own competing message.

The Alito flap is hardly the first time Kerry's efforts to remain relevant and to position himself for another White House run have put him at odds with his fellow Senate Democrats. In late November, for instance, Democrats fumed after Kerry scheduled a press conference reacting to a major Iraq address by President Bush at the same time as one planned by Senate Democrats, muddying his party's response and enabling reporters to revisit old 2004 campaign themes about Kerry's position on the war. This week's filibuster fizzle is just the latest example of how Kerry has begun to adopt a new, fighting-mad persona--and to alienate colleagues who think he's just positioning himself for 2008 at their expense.

One reason Democrats suspect the motives behind Kerry's attempted Alito filibuster is the way he went about it. Until last week, when he suddenly declared his opposition to the judge, Kerry had played virtually no role in opposing Alito's nomination. Shortly after this, in consultation with Kennedy, aides say, Kerry decided his party needed to mount a more forceful stand and declared that he would use his senatorial prerogative to attempt a filibuster--even though head counts had already made it unambiguously clear that Alito could not be blocked. In a closed-door meeting of Senate Democrats last Wednesday, Kerry and Kennedy made a vigorous plea for a filibuster. But they were challenged by Harry Reid and by no less a Bush nominee-basher than Chuck Schumer of New York, who, as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, is responsible for overseeing the party's 2006 Senate races. Schumer understood, as did Reid and many other Democrats, that the Alito nomination had already put vulnerable Democratic incumbents and candidates from red states in an awkward position--pulled between pro-Bush voters and the demands of liberal interest groups, activists, and bloggers. Forcing those Democrats to choose sides on yet another vote would only heighten their agony. Even Barbara Mikulski, a Kennedy-style paleoliberal, argued that Democrats should worry more about electoral realities than about taking bold stands for their own sake.

Democrats might have been more receptive had Kerry not been so late to the game. If he were really so appalled by Alito, they say, he should have been working for weeks to rally opposition. "The problem with Kerry is just that he sits on the sidelines. He was two weeks too late if he wanted to get involved in this fight and influence it in a meaningful way," says a Democratic Senate strategist. A Kerry aide counters that, apart from the Senate Judiciary Committee's Alito hearings, the Senate had been out of session for much of January. "Charges that it was hastily done don't consider the realities of the calendar," says the aide. But the Senate reconvened on January 18, a full week before Kerry's move. Indeed, it was Kerry who was most out of pocket; he missed the Alito hearings for a long trip to Iraq and, soon after, departed for the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. In fact, many Democrats cringe at the way Kerry briefly waged his fight by phone from Davos--which perfectly reinforces his culturally effete image. That several prominent Republicans, including John McCain, were also in Davos last week didn't stop the GOP from ridiculing Kerry with jokes about "yodeling" in his filibuster while skiing the Swiss Alps. "It was unfair, but perception is 99 percent of the battle," says one aide to a potential 2008 Kerry rival.

Kerry also forced some Democrats into highly awkward positions. Reid, for instance, initially groused about Kerry's move on the Senate floor, making the apt point that there had been "adequate time for people to debate" Alito. But, once Kerry cast the die, Reid (and Schumer) were forced to support the filibuster for fear of enraging liberals. Republicans taunted Reid for flip-flopping. Meanwhile, every other Democrat considering a 2008 White House run--Hillary Clinton, Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Russ Feingold--voted with Kerry, even though none had planned to force a filibuster themselves. After the filibuster fell short, the White House issued a triumphal statement boasting of a "strong, bipartisan majority" vote for Alito. Some Democrats found that especially embittering, given that the final vote on his confirmation was much closer: 58-42, one of the narrowest confirmation margins of any Supreme Court justice. Kerry spokesman David Wade argues that the filibuster "helped strengthen the number of votes against final confirmation." But, although Democrats showed remarkable unity on the final Alito vote (only four members defected), that solidarity was overshadowed by the filibuster flap. "democrats split over filibuster on alito," declared the front page of the January 27 Washington Post. Kerry "handed President Bush a big win on the eve of the State of the Union," says one veteran Senate Democratic aide. Moreover, Democrats were irritated that Kerry's move had sucked up so much press attention before Bush's speech. "The whole Democratic strategy was to go into the State of the Union framing it around ethics and corruption," says the irritated Democratic Senate strategist. "We were doing the Republicans' job by thrusting [Alito] into the spotlight rather than ethics."

By Monday, the aggravation at Kerry was plain to see. On a typical day, reporters can barely fend off the press-loving Schumer. But, when he arrived outside the Senate chamber for the filibuster vote, Schumer was grumpy and terse. In what may have been an unprecedented event, Schumer blurted out a quick statement to the press mob and then turned heel and abruptly fled into the chamber.

So what explains Kerry's decision? It may be that he really believes Alito is an intolerable radical. But so do many other Democrats, like Schumer, who still concluded a filibuster was a net loser politically. Kerry presented his move as a matter of principle: "I reject those notions that there ought to somehow be some political calculus about the future," he declared. "I know this is flying against some of the sort of political punditry of Washington." Yet his actions were entirely consistent with someone wooing liberal activists in preparation for the 2008 presidential primaries. From his escalating criticism of the Iraq war to his recent public quip about a possible Bush impeachment (aides insist it was a joke), Kerry is sounding more and more intent on challenging Clinton from the left. His Alito joust has made him a champion for Democratic pro-choice and civil rights leaders. He has also impressed activists in the liberal blogosphere--including at DailyKos.com, where he posted an explanation of his filibuster move. But even some liberal bloggers smelled a rat. At the site MyDD.com, the influential blogger Matt Stoller called Kerry's decision "a classic example of 'get points for trying' politics ... a way for Senators to get credit from the left-wing of the party without having to actually do anything or stop anything.... The attitude that the insiders have towards us is that we are a stupid ATM set up to feed their ineffectiveness." Poor John Kerry. It takes real talent to be trashed by the very people to whom you are trying to pander.


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To: LdSentinal

bttt


21 posted on 02/02/2006 10:33:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LdSentinal
""What could possibly be more important than this?" asked Kerry, who stood alone amid a sea of empty desks. But Kerry's plea for relevancy didn't cause much of a stir until his Massachusetts colleague and filibuster partner, Ted Kennedy, rose to unleash a bellowing anti-Alito stemwinder. With a reddening face and hoarse voice, Kennedy waved his arms and smacked his podium with his open hand. The commotion caused a crew of usually blasé reporters to scurry from their workstations and into the Senate press balcony to watch.

These two idiots were sitting there yelling to themselves in front of the media, and the media didn't film this specacle and air it? For shame! I guess we will see democrats distancing themselves from moonbats like Kerry in hopes of keeping their seats. I wonder if kerry is going to run for pres. again? Or try to simply hang on to his senate seat?

22 posted on 02/02/2006 10:36:51 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: mudblood
"I take the Rush position on this: Kerry at least was honest. He did the honest thing, and put his money where his mouth was."

Not really; as a Massachusetts man he can get away with being a communist without losing a single vote.

23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:05 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: LdSentinal; Laurita; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Documents

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Please help get this bill passed
AND signed into law
BEFORE the '06 elections!

Stolen Valor Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
HR 3352 IH
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Stolen Valor Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
HR 3352 IH

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 3352

To amend title 18, United States Code, with respect to protections for the Medal of Honor, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 19, 2005

Mr. SALAZAR introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend title 18, United States Code, with respect to protections for the Medal of Honor, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Stolen Valor Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds that--

(1) fraudulent claims surrounding receipt of the Medal of Honor, the Distinguished-Service Cross, the Air Force Cross, the Navy Cross, the Purple Heart, or any other medal or decoration awarded by Congress or the armed forces damage the reputation and meaning of these medals;

(2) Federal law enforcement officers are currently limited in their ability to prosecute fraudulent claims of receipt of military medals; and

(3) changes to the current statute are necessary to allow law enforcement personnel to protect the reputation and meaning of these medals.

SEC. 3. MILITARY MEDAL PROTECTIONS.

Section 704 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (a)--

(A) by inserting `purchases, attempts to purchase, solicits for purchase, mails, ships, imports, exports, produces blank certificates of receipt,' after `wears'; and

(B) by inserting `attempts to sell, advertises for sale, trades, barters or exchanges for anything of value' after `sells';

(2) in subsection (b)(1), by inserting `or (b)' after `subsection (a)'

(3) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c);

(4) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:

`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and

(5) by adding at the end the following:

`(d) Other Medals- If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) or (b) is a Distinguished Service Cross awarded under Section 3742 of title 10, an Air Force Cross awarded under section 8742 of section 10, a Navy cross awarded under section 6242 of title 10, a silver star awarded under section 3746, 6244, or 8746 of title 10, or a Purple Heart awarded under section 1129 of title 10, or any replacement or duplicate medal as authorized by statute, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.'.



"From Ray Funderburk, MOPH

The greatest threat to the sanctity and significance of the Purple Heart comes from the medal's easy availability. Anyone can buy one at flea markets, pawnshops or on the Internet, where Web sites offer the decoration, no questions asked, for as little as $35. An accompanying certificate on onion skin parchment and personalized with your name and any rank you choose costs about $25.

Such commerce in the symbols of American courage and sacrifice would be outlawed by a measure spearheaded last July by Rep. John Salazar, D-Colo.

His "Stolen Valor Act" would make it a federal crime to falsely wear the Purple Heart and other top military decorations, or to even list them on a resume if they were not officially earned.

But the proposed bill now sits in the House Judiciary Committee, and its fate remains unclear.
"We're waiting for the committee to act," said Salazar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts?page=2#2




Any Republican or Democrat politicians who don't get this bill passed is
as guilty as the phonies that this bill targets.

The Swift Boat Vets already proved, beyond a doubt,
that hanoi kerry's 1st Purple Heart is fraudulent.

A US Attorney General can get ALL of hanoi kerry's
records and once and for all prove that the
Swift Boat Vets were accurate and true.

All that has to be done is to get this bill passed and signed into law now, before the '06 election.

Since hanoi kerry will be under indictment he'll
have to sit out the '06 election for his illegal seat
in the US Senate.

AND the best part is that it is a Democrat sponsored
bill that will his downfall.

COSPONSORS(60), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] - 7/27/2005
Rep Baird, Brian [WA-3] - 7/28/2005
Rep Barrow, John [GA-12] - 7/27/2005
Rep Beauprez, Bob [CO-7] - 9/6/2005
Rep Berry, Marion [AR-1] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boren, Dan [OK-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boyd, Allen [FL-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 9/6/2005
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. [CA-18] - 7/27/2005
Rep Case, Ed [HI-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Chandler, Ben [KY-6] - 7/27/2005
Rep Cooper, Jim [TN-5] - 7/27/2005
Rep Costa, Jim [CA-20] - 7/28/2005
Rep Cramer, Robert E. (Bud), Jr. [AL-5] - 7/27/2005
Rep Cuellar, Henry [TX-28] - 7/27/2005
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 7/26/2005
Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 7/26/2005
Rep Gonzalez, Charles A. [TX-20] - 7/29/2005
Rep Green, Gene [TX-29] - 7/28/2005
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 7/26/2005
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 7/28/2005
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 7/26/2005
Rep Herseth, Stephanie [SD] - 7/27/2005
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 7/28/2005
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] - 7/27/2005
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 7/28/2005
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Kline, John [MN-2] - 7/28/2005
Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 7/28/2005
Rep Marshall, Jim [GA-3] - 11/2/2005
Rep Matheson, Jim [UT-2] - 7/26/2005
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 9/7/2005
Rep McIntyre, Mike [NC-7] - 9/14/2005
Rep Meek, Kendrick B. [FL-17] - 7/26/2005
Rep Melancon, Charlie [LA-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Menendez, Robert [NJ-13] - 10/6/2005
Rep Michaud, Michael H. [ME-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Moore, Dennis [KS-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 10/17/2005
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] - 7/27/2005
Rep Northup, Anne M. [KY-3] - 9/15/2005
Rep Ortiz, Solomon P. [TX-27] - 7/28/2005
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] - 7/27/2005
Rep Pomeroy, Earl [ND] - 7/27/2005
Rep Reyes, Silvestre [TX-16] - 7/27/2005
Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] - 9/7/2005
Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 7/26/2005
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 7/27/2005
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 7/29/2005
Rep Strickland, Ted [OH-6] - 9/27/2005
Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 9/6/2005
Rep Tanner, John S. [TN-8] - 7/27/2005
Rep Taylor, Gene [MS-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-1] - 7/27/2005
Rep Udall, Mark [CO-2] - 7/22/2005
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] - 7/28/2005
Rep Whitfield, Ed [KY-1] - 9/20/2005

There is no valid reason why this bill can't pass both Houses of Congress
and be signed by President Bush
BEFORE the '06 elections.

http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/

http://www.frontsteps.com/movies/john_kerrys_bad_rap/

Karl Rove knew, Nov. 7, 2004 , that hanoi kerry would try to run in '08
and knew Swift Boat Vet's would be called upon,
again, to serve our country.

Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts


24 posted on 02/02/2006 11:11:52 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's ALWAYS a great day to be a Conservative Independent Voter AND a Viet Nam Vet)
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To: mudblood

hanoi kerry was and still is a back stabbing traitor to US troops.

He wouldn't know what "honest" is.

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Documents


25 posted on 02/02/2006 11:17:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's ALWAYS a great day to be a Conservative Independent Voter AND a Viet Nam Vet)
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To: LdSentinal
Kerry "handed President Bush a big win on the eve of the State of the Union," says one veteran Senate Democratic aide.

"Thanks, John!"


26 posted on 02/03/2006 12:15:21 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: LdSentinal

I suggest a: Kerry/Sheehan ticket for 2008!


27 posted on 02/03/2006 12:16:21 AM PST by blondee123 (Close our borders to illegals! Don't try to appease us!)
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To: mudblood
Kerry's a liberal and he's wrong on the issues but he has balls.

Maybe "spitballs"! I disagree, he hasn't got balls, he is just plain stupid!

28 posted on 02/03/2006 12:18:25 AM PST by blondee123 (Close our borders to illegals! Don't try to appease us!)
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To: LdSentinal

The Democrat Party is anything but monolithic in its approach to battling the GOP. Although they are (obviously) going to be very careful about what gets out to the public, there are a whole lot of Democrats who simply do not like John Kerry - - personally. The man is an opportunistic putz, and a gigolo. He is also clumsy and not all that bright. ("Is this the place where I can get me a hunting license?")

Ditto for Hillary Clinton - - a lot of veteran rats simply do not appreciate her sense of entitlement and the over-hyped press that has elevated her to the status of "front-runner", despite the fact that she has never, ever accomplished one single thing other than marry Bill Clinton.


29 posted on 02/03/2006 12:27:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LdSentinal
What's more, Democrats complained that this Gallipoli charge had handed Republicans an easy victory on the eve of the State of the Union--and had drowned out their own competing message.

And that message would be....?

30 posted on 02/03/2006 12:27:58 AM PST by Just Lori (Oh my soul, be prepared to meet Him who knows how to ask questions.)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL!


31 posted on 02/03/2006 12:28:02 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LdSentinal

Kerry's action was loved by the base. :) I love watching 'rats implode.


32 posted on 02/03/2006 12:40:53 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: jamesm51
You know what else is amazing about this article: it details how much his fellow Senators think he's a poor strategist and a dolt--but these people ALL were singing his praises, wanting him to be Chief Executive!!

Clearly, they cared more about getting Kerry out of the Senate than they care about giving the American people a strong leader.

Typical of 'rats.

33 posted on 02/03/2006 12:44:46 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: LdSentinal
So what explains Kerry's decision?

It's really not all that complicated. During the 2004 election Kerry promised that he would filibuster any Supreme Court nominee that would swing the Court to the right (I forget exactly how he worded it). The liberal bloggers dredged that up last week and within a couple days Kerry mounted his filibuster effort. It was entirely so he couldn't be criticized in 2008 for going back on his 2004 campaign promise, and Kerry sure doesn't give a damn about anything but himself..

34 posted on 02/03/2006 12:47:04 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: LdSentinal

Thanks for posting the article, but......

He could have just as well said..... KERRY SUCKS......


35 posted on 02/03/2006 1:12:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Low-swooping Hawk)
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To: NonValueAdded
Upon reflection, I think this was strategy in a very Kerryesque sort of way. Consider that a RAT in a red state planning to vote no on Alito had very little cover prior to the the yodelled-in filibuster. However, they could comfortably vote for cloture so they could go on record as saying Alito deserved an up-or-down vote but that after careful review they still could not cast a vote for him. And Kerry scored points with the kook fringe. No, it seems now to be as orchestrated as the sit down or stand up applause at the SOTU.

Excellent observations. I think you are right. The rats were in a no-win situation. If their failibuster had been sucessful the rat base would be energized, but so would the Republican base and moderate voters would be angry at the rats. If they didn't filibuster the Republican base would still be energized by our success, no moderate vote effect, but the rat base would abandon them. This failibuster was designed to split the difference and minimized rat and centrist discontent.

It remains to be seen if it was successful and you can be sure the old/junk media will not provide clear information until several hours after the next elections.

My best sense is that the failibuster was a complete failure. The rat base is pissed, moderate voters have another example of rat obstructionism, and Republicans are elated with Alito and angry that the rats tried to filibuster.

36 posted on 02/03/2006 1:15:46 AM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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To: jamesm51

I like your conclusion. See my tag line.


37 posted on 02/03/2006 2:47:19 AM PST by billhilly (The Democrat symbol is no longer the donkey, it's a strait Jacket.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


38 posted on 02/03/2006 2:59:34 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: martin_fierro

Awesome caption.

Kerry is the gift that keeps on giving.


39 posted on 02/03/2006 3:05:44 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: LdSentinal
Kennedy thundered. When the old lion's mighty lungs finally ceased

1) Can you just smell the admiration here?

2) Oh, happy day when this happens for real.

40 posted on 02/03/2006 3:20:43 AM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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