[Zeroisanumber]

A companion piece to the "Valley of Wolves" thread. An unusual manifestation of Anti-Americanism in a formerly staunch ally. We have some image work to do.

[When do we get liberated?]

Can you stage a "sneak attack" after a 6 minute rout of Turkish forces?

[LongElegantLegs]

Russia and the European Union...turn back the American onslaught.

In the words of the valley girls...As If!

[Darkwolf377]

If we took all our SF books this seriously we'd be paranoid.

WE aren't the ones with the image work to do; TURKEY needs to do some loyalty work.

[msnimje]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste....

[tet68]

"Powerful people, nearly all of whom are members of a secret 'sect,' are aiming to bring a radical change to the order of the world,"

I'll take World Terror for 500, Bob.

Who is Amadinejad and the Iranian Twelvers?

[Zack Nguyen]

"What is different today is that they are less anti-European,"

We'll see if that holds up when Turkey is kept out of the EU because they are Muslim, poor and, well...Turkish.

[Zack Nguyen]

I have read that certain elements of the EU really want to keep Turkey out.

[D.P.Roberts]

Apparently the Turks want on the list.

[Eagles6]

"He further suggested that the US military is developing technology that would allow it to trigger earthquakes, something that will eventually be used against Turkey.

Alright, which one of you boneheads spilled the beans?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: Turkey and Iraqi Kurds, a.k.a., Kurdistan

This ain't fiction.

"The Prime Minister of the Kurdish Regional Government, Nechirvan Barzani, in an exclusive interview with Vatan said: 'Taking secular Turkey as a model we will establish a modern administration' . . .

"We do not have an issue with the territorial integrity of Turkey. We do not have a vision towards Turkey. You are mixing up Kurds with the PKK. . .

"The Turkish Armed Forces launched many operations on our lands. This is not something that should be hidden, it is a good thing. We are struggling together with the TSK [Turkish Armed Forces] against the PKK. When the PKK disappears there will not be a new problem regarding Turkey and the Kurds. At this moment, there are no problems between the Turks and us. . . ."

http://www.kurdmedia.com/inter.asp?id=10114

What's changed? Anybody? Sources, please.

Otherwise, so we're having a dispute with Turkey. It's not the first time.

[Red6]

Turkey = insignificant

If Turkey enters Iraq they will lose. Turkish SF were already embarrassed, captured and held at BIAP (A LTC at that) before they could execute an assassination plot of a regional VIP in northern Iraq.

Turkey has nothing we want except for poverty, corruption, more ignorant people with a marginal economy, a socialist and Muslim mind set.

Turkey! The Cold War is over! You have little strategic importance (Bosporus / Missiles / Air bases on the Soviet South don’t mean much today). In Iraq you would not play and you lost ANY influence you could have had in the future of Iraq or the Kurdish issue.

In the end, the EU will only conditionally accept you as a pseudo-EU member. Don't flatter yourself with self importance.

Red6

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

Adds another US diplomat, who declined to be named: "Just like sex sells, anti-Americanism sells right now. Unfortunately, it's nothing to laugh at, because it's damaging to both American national interest and to Turkish national interests. We're really pulling our hair out trying to figure out how to deal with this."

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This guy get's PAID by the USA? He REPRESENTS the USA? No wonder we have an image problem. If he can't figure out how to respond to this B.S., he needs another career path.

How's this for a response:

• America rewards it's friends with friendship.
• Friends don't lie about friends; that's what enemies do.
• America will destroy any enemy which threatens it.
• Screw the Turks. Support the Kurds. Let the Kurds create a free Kurdistan along historical geographical lines in Northern Iraq/Southern Turkey.
• Maybe the EU and Russia will come to Turkey's "defense". Problem for the Turks is, after their "rescue", there'll be no more Turkey.
• What are the "Europeans" going to "defend" Turkey with? Volvos and BMW's? Will Britain be fighting the Yanks too?
• The only thing that scares me about Russia is the possibility of their incompetent military "losing" their hardware to a more competent and dedicated force, say Islamic terrorists. Sure, they can blow up things, and kill innocent women and children, but their centrally-commanded conscripts couldn't fight their way out of a paper sack. How long did it take the USSR at the height of their glorious power to get their butts kicked out of Afghanistan? How many DAYS did it take the USA to kick crap out of Afghanistan's Muslim warlords? Any other questions about Russia?

Defend our friends, screw our enemies, and protect our nation. If the USA doesn't protect it's own interests, if we fail to protect our country, NO ONE else on the face of the earth will care if we die. No one will even remember what this country stood for in light of what revisionist leftist or Islamic historians write. How long did it take the USSR to go from an unstoppable, eternal force of history, to a 50 year historical footnote. History can turn on a dime, people can die, and nations can turn to dust.

And, yeah, I am simplistic. Most military folks are, because you can't "nuance" a bullet after it's been fired at you. And I will not stand for Islamic bullets being fired at Americans abroad or at home, whether they come from Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Turkey.

SFS