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'I Hope She Drowns'- The implosion of the Democratic Party
Opinion Journal Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/2/06 | PEGGY NOONAN

Posted on 02/02/2006 6:11:22 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: areafiftyone
um... guys, you know the article was making fun of democrats and not us right?
201 posted on 02/02/2006 10:51:24 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

People like you do not benefit the conservative cause, as you so smugly claim.

You benefit no cause because you're a pie in the sky (and it has to be pecan with whipped cream) loony libertarian.

Plus, you're a constant downer on every thread. Does that make you happy?


202 posted on 02/02/2006 10:52:57 AM PST by altura
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To: spikeytx86

Yes, we know that. Since you are just beginning your political years, you will not know that Peggy Noonan has great credibility as a gifted writer who holds conservative values. For reasons, that we can only guess at, now her commentary has to include digs every time President Bush gives a major speech. She has become a celeb guest on cable TV because of her history, and her supposed outlook. So her snipes look like petty jealousy, because she is not part of Ws inner circle.


203 posted on 02/02/2006 11:06:53 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World. Democrats and the media are not on our side.)
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To: RebelBanker

I agree. She has very few good things to say about him.


204 posted on 02/02/2006 11:11:32 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (There are no short cuts to any place worth going.)
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To: spikeytx86

Noonan slammed the Congressional Democrats, but only after making some of her usual catty comments about President Bush.


205 posted on 02/02/2006 11:17:57 AM PST by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: RebelBanker

Bingo!


206 posted on 02/02/2006 11:19:07 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (There are no short cuts to any place worth going.)
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To: RebelBanker

You guys are probably right, it's amazing how peoples loyalties change when they are out of the lime light.


207 posted on 02/02/2006 11:24:17 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: FreedomSurge; Common Tator
"To quote Common Tator:

"President Bush 43 knows that no one in history is more hated by Democrats than He. And he knows that everytime a Democrat sees Bubba with his Dad, they go ballistic. The only word that comes to a Democrats mind when they see Bubba and Dubya is Traitor. The Clintons are traitors to the Democratic party. Imagine how much that helps Hillary's run for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

And conversely, no Democrat is hated more than Bubba, ergo conservatives are equally disgusted by giving the public legitimacy given him in any way.

You can spin this "relationship" all you want, but the fact of the matter is the Bushes giving the anti-America, ex-rapist, traitor, and sc*mbag Bubba a platform instead of rendering him irrelevant indicates either a "deal" made, OR still just a plain bizarre display of idiocy and elitism.

208 posted on 02/02/2006 11:29:23 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: maica

"From her Senate website: ----

CLINTON, Hillary Rodham, (1947-)"

I thought you were posting about Peggy Noonan, not Hillary Clinton, because some earlier posts commented that Noonan had not aged well since her Reagan-speechwriting years. The bio information I posted was for Noonan.


209 posted on 02/02/2006 11:32:19 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: ohioWfan

>>>
Oh........I think the line itself was seriously flawed.

And I think the man giving it meant it, but didn't have the strength to follow through.

His son does.
<<<

What part was flawed? The "no"?

George Bush Sr. was never a conservative. It was he who used "voodoo economics" against Reagan. He tolerated but had no great love for the social conservatives. He became president because he was a loyal Republican and Reagan's mistake in choosing him as VP.

His "no new taxes" pledge won in 1988. His breaking of that pledge gave is Bill Clinton.

If Peggy Noonan is to be castigated it should be for her "thousand points of light", "kindler gentler America" lines (I believe she wrote both of those lines for the elder Bush).

George W. Bush may intend to cut taxes (and keep those cuts) but his massive expenditures will mean a future president and congress will be under pressure to raise them again. If you mean to cut taxes, you must cut spending. We face not a budget crisis but a spending crisis (helped in no small part by G. W. Bush).


210 posted on 02/02/2006 11:33:49 AM PST by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: frgoff
"Spreading democracy is the best way to ensure this."

I must have missed that part of one of the Constitution Amendments...

Have it your way, and we'll be at war bleeding on foreign soil for non-Americans until the year 2525.

211 posted on 02/02/2006 11:34:19 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: riverdawg

Okay, sorry for the confusion.


212 posted on 02/02/2006 11:39:11 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World. Democrats and the media are not on our side.)
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To: areafiftyone
There was only one unforgettable moment, and that was in a cutaway shot, of Hillary Clinton, who simply must do something about her face

LOL!

...Actually I though here rear end is getting kind of voluminous... even though they try to cover it. Fair or not, that is something she has to "deal" with, not to mentioned that "her boy" has developed a taste for other... well, you know what I mean :)

213 posted on 02/02/2006 11:43:33 AM PST by ElPatriota (( Let's not forget that we are still friends despite our differences! ))
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To: evilC
"George Bush Sr. was never a conservative. It was he who used "voodoo economics" against Reagan. He tolerated but had no great love for the social conservatives. He became president because he was a loyal Republican and Reagan's mistake in choosing him as VP."

Yep...

A Country Club Republican through and through whose vision was for a "New World Order."

He then ran a sham campaign which he ran to lose to the scandal ridden Bubba Clinton, ensuring Reagan's conservatism's momentum would be stopped dead in it's tracks, thus giving the libs their "turn" to accelerate multiculturalism, subvert the SC, social re engineering, purposeful security breaches, and internationalist One World-ism.

214 posted on 02/02/2006 11:44:57 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: ohioWfan

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How exactly can one be classified a 'neocon' when one has been a conservative for nearly a half century?

How exactly do you define the prefix, 'neo?
<<<

Well the prefix "neo" and the suffix "con" are both incorrect. There is nothing new about them and they are not conservative. What we today refer to as "neocons", should really be considered part of the left (from whence they came). Neos are big government types, fully comfortable with the welfare state at home and the warfare state abroad.

The mistaken "con" suffix is related to the fact they came from the anti communist left. They make nice noises about tax-cuts and smaller government but that is not their driving belief. The driving belief is in the restorative powers of government especially abroad and especially through the use of the military.

To be fair, unlike others on the left they want expansive government to make America stronger whereas as leftist internationalism aims to make America weaker.


215 posted on 02/02/2006 11:47:33 AM PST by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: areafiftyone
he chose to redeclare his beliefs rather than argue for them in any depth.

What else is new? That's what GWB's been doing for going on 6 years now.

216 posted on 02/02/2006 1:43:20 PM PST by Huck (Roe/Kelo: You have a right to privacy IN your bedroom; you just don't have a right TO your bedroom.)
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To: Howlin; RightWingRadio
I notice I haven't gotten a response from RWR.

Perhaps he/she doesn't actually KNOW what the prefix 'neo' means and uses it exactly as you said.....

Or perhaps he/she thinks it is a character in the Matrix? ;)

217 posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:43 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: maica
Peggy reminds me of an English teacher who can't see past the form of the assignment to the impact of the student's work.

Exactly! Looking at the words and the construction, and missing the vision.

It was never so obvious than her bizarre critique of his Second Inaugural Address. She missed the WHOLE point of what was said, and wrote it down for all to see.

Kind of embarrassing, IMO.

218 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:50 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: evilC
The line was flawed. "READ MY LIPS" ......corny and pedantic. The line was flawed.

Bush41 read it, but if Peggy wrote it, the stupidity of the line is hers.

Bush41 is a man of honor. He meant it when he said it, but wasn't strong enough to fight back when he was pressured to raise taxes.

It has nothing to do with whether or not he was conservative enough for you. It was still a flawed line, and not one that Peggy should be proud of.

219 posted on 02/02/2006 1:52:52 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: evilC; RightWingRadio
Way to expound at great length while missing the point entirely......

The fellow was including in his definition a whole lot of long time conservatives. Get it? Neo? Long-time?

It's an incorrect, trite, and meaningless insult of people that you don't have the intellectual wherewithal to debate.

But thanks for the essay explaining what I didn't need to be told.

220 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:55 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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