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Why the .45 Matters
Strategy Page ^ | Feb 1, 2006

Posted on 02/01/2006 3:42:08 PM PST by John Jorsett

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To: ozzymandus

"Ooohhh, a Singer! ..."

They never miss a stitch!


201 posted on 02/02/2006 1:45:50 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Doohickey
Gun Porn you say.......(and yes that is a well placed .45) Which brings to mind "Are you just happy to see me or is that.......
202 posted on 02/02/2006 1:54:19 PM PST by jmq (Islam=Religion of Peace)
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To: yarddog

Re 155: "wasn't sure exactly how close to 9mm a .357 diameter bullet was."

Actually the old .38 Long Colt was a bit larger in diameter than the modern .38/.357.

It was a soft, hollow based bullet of about .368" (IIRC) and fired through a true .38" bore, relying on the expanding HB bullet to fill the bore and take the rifling, much like a Mine' ball in a Civil War rifle. It was a "heeled" bullet, with a reduced diameter base that fitted into the mouth of the case.

The old .455 Webley used a similar system, which is why the ones converted to .45ACP don't shoot worth a darn.

A .38 Spl. will chamber in a 1901, but won't shoot at all accurately, unless you use a hollow based wadcutter round.

The '01 I used as a teenager in NH was deadly accurate with those, and I once popped a snoweshoe rabbit at about 100 yards with one round. I just had to hold about 2 feet low.


203 posted on 02/02/2006 2:14:07 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: cbkaty

"On the other hand, my pants sometimes fall to the floor ..."

I hate it when that happens!

That's why we wear SUSPENDERS when we age to the "Lapover" physiotype..

Going to the loo under arms can be a challenge; did you hear the one about the undercover cop whose piece went off as he was sitting down, and blew the crapper behind him into a million pieces?

Or the other one who hung his roscoe by the trigger guard on the coathook on the door, only to have it discharge; the recoil made it spin around the hook, and with every turn it pulled the trigger again, making it go full-auto like a pinwheel until the magazine was dry.

Apparently no one was hurt, but the cop probably had some nasty skivvies, and a lotta 'splainin' to do!

Using public facilities presents challenges in that if you use a belt carry, the pistol will tend to gravitate to the floor, where we really don't want it - and it could be seen under the partition, creating a stir.

I generally slip mine out of the holster and lay it in my trousers where I can see it, but no one else can. Try not to make too much noise clearing it, as again it could make the neighbors jittery.

And for gawdsakes, don't do like a buddy of mine who was a local cop at the time did, and shoot himself in the arse with his .380!


204 posted on 02/02/2006 2:28:43 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Eaker
I went from a 9mm to the .40 so to me it was a big jump.

I like the vid and you can see the muzzle flip go to nothing on the last four shots.

Very cool.
205 posted on 02/02/2006 2:41:16 PM PST by Scribbz (Navy brat and proud!)
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To: Eaker; Tijeras_Slim

Whose big purple bloomers are those hangin' on that bush?


206 posted on 02/02/2006 2:41:58 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner

That's one of them pink triangles the AIDS folks have as a symbol. My guess is that Eaker was chasing Barney Frank off his land.


207 posted on 02/02/2006 2:44:53 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: databoss

Affirmative on the "Locked"!

I got one of those "airsoft" plastic .45 lookalikes for about $20, and practice my draw / safety swoop with it, popping paper cups and such with little plastic BBs accross my shop.

It's amazing how much that helps when I take the REAL .45 out to the range and blast clays on the berm with it from 7 - 10 yards out, using the instinctive point / extended hipshot method.

But I still use the basic FUNDAMENTALS that I learned when shooting the NRA 2400 competition course in the 8th Army AMTU; just a little bit quicker.

These days I only start using the sights beyond 20 yards or so.

And I can raise the dickens with a gallon paint can out at 100 yds. sitting down, 2-handed, leaning against a post, and holding just a hair of front blade over the top of the rear sight.

I don't doubt any of you here who report combat kills with old slabsides beyond 100 Meters. A good one will do it.

As to the safety pin; thanks; up heah in Maine we do the best we can with what we've got.

And something about that Sys27 puts a little more load on the right suspension strap than some of the aligator clips were designed to hold, and they slip.


208 posted on 02/02/2006 2:57:40 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: VRing

A lot of shooters don't appreciate the fact that a lot of reliability in a recoil operated pistol depends on your technique; A .45 has to be "stiffarmed" with wrist and elbow pretty much locked, while a revolver generally likes a bit more of a relaxed stance and grip.

If you "take up recoil", the slide may not come back far enough and it will "jam".

I've heard of an instance where one shooter would constantly shoot "keyholes" - his bullets were going through the target sideways.
Any other shooter could fire the same pistol just fine.

It turned out that by some fluke, the chap was "breaking" his grip just as the bullet exited the muzzle, tipping it out of it's axis and sending it tumbling end over end.
And it happened with about every shot.
How weird is that?

But if an auto pistol is balking, it might not be the gun or ammo's fault; let a few other pistolleros shoot it and see what happens.

Also, a new autogun usually has to be "broken in" with about 500 to 1000 rounds before it becomes 100% reliable, and not many of them are totally good to go out of the box.


209 posted on 02/02/2006 3:06:09 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Squantos

G10.

Here's the link.

http://www.davidsonknives.com/grips/grips.htm
I didn't know where my son, Shawn had ordered the grips until the girlfriend mentioned to him where she lives. She could walk to the guy's house. Lucky me but I don't have anything that needs that expense.


210 posted on 02/02/2006 3:09:04 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Uncle Jaque

"Offended?"

Not at all...war is for warriors not metrosexuals from the Vilage sipping espresso.

.45 for ever - 9mm never...


211 posted on 02/02/2006 3:17:43 PM PST by dinok
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To: Uncle Jaque
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Not sure if you are right or not about the official size but I just measured the bullet from a .38 Long Colt Case. It measures exactly .357.

You are right about the hollow base. The bullet does have a cavernous cavity in the base. It actually looks like a small mini ball.

I was surprised how little powder was in the case. It looks like bullseye but is old and black.

212 posted on 02/02/2006 3:24:02 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Uncle Jaque
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I put the bullet nose down back in the case and photographed the base. Hard to see but there is a big hole there. That is a few flakes of powder to the left.

213 posted on 02/02/2006 3:28:24 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Uncle Jaque
Yep, the .44 is very accurate and you can load it up to a good velocity if you desire. Factory loads still will stop a man up close and they are easy on the recoil!

I use factory equivalent loads for practice and load a little hotter for my carry load. I also carry a .45 long colt wheel gun with hollow points, which has good stopping power but is not quite as accurate as the .44 special, at least in my gun, but at defense ranges it doesn't really matter as long as it shoots decently, IMO.

214 posted on 02/02/2006 4:20:48 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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To: knightshadow

I'm saving your entire post, and am going to forward it to my dad as I think he'd love to read it as well. Thank you for putting it into terms I can understand. Sometimes I try to follow these threads and I get delirious. :D


215 posted on 02/02/2006 4:27:59 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Scribbz
I have a .40 (glock)

If you think the recoil is bad, wait until it explodes in your hand. Ducking and deploying flame resistors.

216 posted on 02/02/2006 4:29:30 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: saleman

Sorry, but I didn't notice the weapon.


217 posted on 02/02/2006 4:37:08 PM PST by MistrX
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To: paul51
Only time I have heard of that was someone using Accurate Arms Company reloads and had a cracked barrel. 1st Gen Glocks had this problem (very rare) almost 1/4 inch of brass exposed. 3rd Gen Glocks seem to be just fine.

It always seems someone brings this up.
218 posted on 02/02/2006 4:45:51 PM PST by Scribbz (Navy brat and proud!)
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To: Uncle Jaque

I have a Kimber Kustom Karry 1911 best oob pistol I have ever owned shoots rings around my customized Springfield Armory .45, my friend G Gordon calls it "Condition 3" (cocked and locked)good idea with the softair I will get one tomorrow...(the diff between the men and boyz...)


219 posted on 02/02/2006 4:54:17 PM PST by databoss
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To: jmq

Re your #202:

Gawrsh; I know that a .45 kicks a little, but how do ya git 'em to vibrate like that?


220 posted on 02/02/2006 4:59:00 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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