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Africa's Hunger - A Systemic Crisis
BBC ^ | 2-1-2006

Posted on 02/01/2006 11:05:03 AM PST by blam

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Not one animal in sub-Saharian Africa was ever domesticated.

Also, today's Black (Bantu) natives over ran South Africa around 3,000BC displacing the San Bushmen who are a completely different race.

1 posted on 02/01/2006 11:05:04 AM PST by blam
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mugabes always blight the crops.


2 posted on 02/01/2006 11:07:22 AM PST by GSlob
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Zimbabwe- Rhodesia?

Not one bloody comment about the elimination of the white farmers and the non-production from their former lands?
3 posted on 02/01/2006 11:07:30 AM PST by Sundog (cheers)
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They don't want facts to get in the way of a good sob story.


4 posted on 02/01/2006 11:09:44 AM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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Recolonize Africa - give it to the Chinese. They're looking for elbow room and resources, and they're pretty good at feedin' themselves for communists.


5 posted on 02/01/2006 11:12:59 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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"Some campaigners and academics argue that African farmers will only be able to properly feed their families and societies when Western goods stop flooding their markets."

Yeah, that will help their soil.


6 posted on 02/01/2006 11:13:36 AM PST by mlc9852
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Africa needs more aid because of the curse of foriegn aid - it creates dependency. It props up corrupt dictators while putting local farmers out of business.
7 posted on 02/01/2006 11:15:45 AM PST by Jibaholic (We wouldn't let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? -- Josef Stalin)
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This is overall a very good article because it correctly places most of the blame on the African's themselves. Government corruption seemed to be the greatest factor of all in the hunger problem. Bet the South Africans wish the white farmers were back in business, life was much better for them then.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 11:21:23 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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Africa stays poor for the same reason people in the ghetto stay poor, because welfare (be it domestic or international in nature) robs people of their dignity and will and need to better themselves.

The best thing we could do to help the poor in Africa and ourselves is to STOP giving them aid of any kind.
9 posted on 02/01/2006 11:21:55 AM PST by conservative physics
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"Between 1975 and 2005, the population more than doubled, rising from 335 to 751 million, and is currently growing at a rate of 2.2% a year."

They refuse to stop having babies that they can't feed. Even when their children are literally starving to death, they go right ahead and have more. They obviously don't care, so why should I? Frankly, I'm more concerned about the fact that they're wiping out wildlife by overrunning and destroying every square inch of land they can get their hands on.

10 posted on 02/01/2006 11:30:06 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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This is a perfect argument for Empire America. The US moves in, takes over these third-world misery factories. It installs an effective local government overseen by American supervisors. Through that government, food is distributed, agricultural practices are reformed, and infrastructure is improved to the point where starvation is no longer epidemic. If the locals object to the "colonization" of their precious dungheap, then they can have the starvation, the disease, and the pestilence back. If not, then maybe they can learn to be human and eventually take over for themselves.


11 posted on 02/01/2006 11:35:50 AM PST by IronJack
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You forget that England and other European countries already did that. Many of these places were colonial paradises until Europeans left them to fend for themselves. The same would just happen again, we would come in ... fix everything... have everyone fat and happy... then when we left they would just run it all into the ground till they were starving and demanding aid again.

The best thing these people could do is LEAVE the cities, LEAVE the aid camps, go back to the jungle or where ever originated from and grow their own crops to feed themselves, and hunt and fish local game to survive. Waiting for the next handout at the capital or an aid camp is a recipe for death and misery.
12 posted on 02/01/2006 11:47:07 AM PST by conservative physics
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The late Sam Kinison had the right solution to the problem.


13 posted on 02/01/2006 11:47:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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The (not so) funny thing is Africa is in many ways, the most resource rich continent on earth, and should clearly demonstrate with all finality, the clear failure of marxism as a political/economic system.

When this is pointed out to many; however, the blame will fall squarely upon, 'centuries of colonialism,' which in all honesty represented the highest standards of living much of the continent has ever known.

14 posted on 02/01/2006 11:53:38 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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marking


15 posted on 02/01/2006 11:56:17 AM PST by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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Can anyone point to black majority ruled countries that are not unmitigated disasters and dependant upon outside financial and technical support?


16 posted on 02/01/2006 11:56:19 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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The number of Africans needing food aid has doubled in a decade

The new PC definition of "compassion": maximizing the number of humans who must die, as long as possible, and call it "compassion".

At the end of the day, when it is no longer possible, just say, "we mwnat well".

17 posted on 02/01/2006 12:46:07 PM PST by Publius6961
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You forget that England and other European countries already did that.

Yes, but their mistake was in leaving before their time. They succumbed to the pressures of "anti-colonialism" and left the rats to scurry around their own hole and make a mess of things. Certainly, they have that right. But if they do, and they CHOOSE to do so, then they have no high ground from which to demand that the rest of the world subsidize their barbarism.

In other words, we'll bail you out for humanitarian reasons. But be assured that our money DOES come with strings attached. And those strings are -- among other things -- that you can't randomly hack each other up into chum, that you can't steal the money to buy hookers and limos, that you can't even claim to be a legitimate government. You're only caretakers until we give you the green light.

For a perfect example of the decay of a de-colonized African country, look at the history of Congo/Zaire. And they were colonized by the FRENCH, for cripes' sake!

18 posted on 02/01/2006 12:47:42 PM PST by IronJack
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The first world subsidizes its agriculture to the tune of $250 billion a year, about the GDP of the entire continent of Africa. Most people in Africa try to make a living as farmers or herdsmen. They are supposed to compete with that level of subsidies, how exactly?

The first world sends tens of billions in direct aid and hundreds of billions in loans, on terms that rarely involve actual repayment in full with interest. They make this available to and through corrupt governments more interested in the French Riviera than in their own countryside. But access to this endless stream of free money depends on political power in Africa, and manipulation of PC world opinion. So the lesson to would be leaders is that production is utterly unnecessary, but political control is absolutely essential.

So when the farmers dislike how they are treated, who is supposed to listen? Their production in unnecessary for the local pols. Their repression is mandatory, to maintain access to the western money stream. When local conditions get so bad their produce is driven to scarcity and its value soars - natural law's way of ensuring their useful cooperative work is rewarded and maintained - the first world steps in again and floods the place with free food, driving what should be their most valuable commodities to zero.

Then first worlders pretend all of Africa's problems are domestic and they have nothing to do with it. Or worse, that they must give twice as much no-strings bakshish to the dictators, and twice as much free agricultural product to the people.

19 posted on 02/01/2006 1:06:27 PM PST by JasonC
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Actually, Leopold the king of Belgium, as his personal fief. Which he looted mercilessly, killing about a third of the population in the process. That he did so profitably - and at the time, with a stellar reputation as an outstanding humanitarian, through sheer hypocrisy and spin - formed the model for profitable looting by all its subsequent African governments.
20 posted on 02/01/2006 1:09:26 PM PST by JasonC
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