Posted on 02/01/2006 8:26:30 AM PST by Smogger
CHINO, Calif. - A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff’s deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.
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'Get up' Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.
At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: “Get up.”
Carrion says: “I’m gonna get up.” As he rises, at least four shots are fired and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.
“Shots fired! Shots fired!” someone shouts.
In a telephone interview conducted in Spanish, Valdez said after the shooting, Carrion asks the deputy, “Why did you shoot me if you told me to stand up?” That alleged exchange cannot be heard on the video.
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No, I didnt hear it...and I havent seen anyone on the scanner groups that heard it.
http://www.local6.com/news/6652276/detail.html
works with firefox. Pretty disturbing video.
Yea first Donald Duck secure then this LOL. In my county they use low band a lot or the use car to car which on 460 MHZ can be low power or sometimes they use 465 the to repeater freq without the PL tone to activate the repeater. The Ohio hits are generally on VHF 154-159 MHZ.
A funny story. One afternoon about 5 years ago a town close by was using 45 MHZ for their police and fire evidently without PL tones. Out of the blue comes a broadcast "This is a National Alert be on the look out for..brief description and silence..I had been hearing skip all day. The dispatcher and cop on duty was going on who was that? Was that you? I called them and said it was skip. They thought skip was some guy down the road. LOL
Generally I like to listen to distant stations and by their broadcast determine their location. If it's a chase I listen for business names and Interstate or state route numbers.
OK here's Snipes secret to cheap antenna's. Find a good fringe area UHF/VHF TV antenna. The bigger the better. Turn the antenna to where the elements face the sky and ground and then mount it that way. Next go buy a TV signal Amplifier 20DB works good. A TV amp runs 54-900MHZ. Make up you own connectors and hook it up. If you want to use more than one scanner on it then this part is real important. Get a TV coax 2-way or 3 -way splitter 5-900MHZ. If you don't use the splitter they will feed back on each other. You investment will be a fraction of what a designed for scanner system cost and is just as good. I point the TV antenna {Yagi} toward the north. If you need help mail me the system works great.
I've got a pro-2045, pro-2040, pro-2034, pro-76, and a pro-95. The 2045 is the most useful though if I wasn't to count hits on a single frequency etc. I've got a few old crystal units and a BC-210 shelved in the storage shed.
I do understand what you are saying. A long time ago in here I defended my local sheriffs department over an incident involving a call answering a domestic violence. The officers had good records and those are the most dangerous calls to go on. I've heard them use a lot of restraint on many calls and patience with people like trying to get usually a drunk to go to bed and sleep it off. By the third call to the residence their patience wears thin and an arrest is made. I've also heard a cop on duty hear about person falling off a bridge into a river request to go out of service {off duty} and put his scuba gear in the trunk on. A few minutes later an ambulance call went out for the man and the officer. While in the water the bridge got hit by lightning and he got part of the hit. He was OK.
They've never gave me any hassle even with two scanners in plain sight. But I don't go to calls I hear either. That is a real quick way to get on their bad side with a scanner. On the other hand if I hear a rookie wandering around lost looking for a back road I call in to dispatch and guide them in.
I think if the average person listened to their local agencies for a week or so they would understand more about their police department. A cocky one is easy to spot and they generally don't last long especially in rural areas.
I've heard them use extreme restraint on halloween nights when locals were blocking them in with cut down tree's and tire fires in a very remote area with no way out.
Those are good ones too :>} I can't use them with my newer ones due to the crystal units internal scanning switch bleeding over to the other scanners.
It works, in spite of being real old! Garage sale special!
I bought my dad a better scanner a few years ago... thought he'd enjoy listening in... and he did listen to it, for awhile... Like me, I go in phases of leaving it on all the time.
better hope you never get surrounded by a group of cops, with half screaming "GET OUT OF THE CAR!" and half screaming "KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM, DON'T MOVE!", like that did to that kid (Maryland?) a couple of years ago.
As I said, there's no approach guaranteed to keep from getting shot.
I worked in a county in Florida where a mayor perjured himself unquestionably--he 180d ON THE STAND when caught.
Cops wouldn't touch it. State's Atty wouldn't touch it. The system is all about CYA for these people. Don't bother me, I won't bother you, as long as you're in power, too.
times have certainly changed.
many, many years ago I was stationed at Camp Lejeune NC. I was parked by the river one afternoon with my girlfriend finishing a fried chicken dinner. as I lit up a cigarette, we were suddenly surrounded by a bunch of guys with guns screaming a variety of commands (POLICE, GET OUT, DON'T MOVE, HANDS UP, etc).
I told one of them on my side (my GF was driving) to show some ID before I would get out, and he slammed his ID on the windshield to show me, so I slowly got out with my hands in plain sight. (My GF on the other hand just got out the first time one of these clowns in civilian clothes yelled "GET OUT". I gave her hell for that bit of foolishness)
About a half-dozen very wired cops (as I now knew them to be) were standing around panting, pointing guns at us as the Sheriff walked up. he looked at us, looked at our military IDs, and checked out the car before remarking, "Good job boys, looks like we caught a couple of chicken eaters". As he let us go, he told us they thought "drugs" were being used at that location so they had it under surveillance and when I lit a Camel they swooped in.
nowadays I might have been shot first for demanding police ID before I complied with their demands.
LOL. Yah, I can always discern my tag numbers, even with my stereo on and the wind blowing in, and even if I can't understand another word. They don't always wait for registration, wants/warrants before the stop here however.
As for concealed carry, notification is required in Utah when "approached" by an LEO. It's probably wise not to mention guns or weapons when doing so. Hands at 10 and 2, "I have a concealed permit... what would you like me to do" will usually prevent you from getting drawn on.
That sounds like a diplomatic way to handle it.
I've had officers ask where the gun is, but never had them order me out of the car or had them even want to see it.
There's a somewhat Beavis and Butthead quality to the question: "Are you approaching me?" LOL!
I tend to agree with you that his backup might not have been far away, but then again if SBSO is contracted to police Chino, the other units might have been on other calls in the city and the nearest backup might have been a few minutes away. If not, the other S.O. units could have been way far out of position.
Don't know if they had the chopper in the air for this or not? Lot's of variables come into play. But I most certainly would have proned the suspects out at gunpoint and held them until backup arrived before approaching.
I couldn't tell but maybe backup was already on the scene and the video just didn't show it, or at least what video was released. I'm sure there will be more info come out on this one before long.
Thanks for all the pings, but please remove me. I'm starting to wonder if all these pings aren't being done by a computer based on keywords. I'm sure we'll cross paths again someday. :-)
Still some get through. The Field Training Officer program is supposed to weed out those, but then that doesn't catch all of them.
The "FTO" program is on the job training that is constantly supervised by trained officer-instructors and the trainee is evaluated on a daily basis within a structured program.
A good guy after a few years may be under so much stress and no one see's it. That guy could just go off, there's so much of the "taboo" in the world of macho that some aren't likely to admit a problem and go see the department shrink. Who knows what state of mind any of us are in at any given moment? Problem is, not one of us is perfect. I would hope though that the other cops on someone's shift would see what's changed in a guy and let the supervisor know about it.
Variables...variables. I think we call that life, it's a daily adventure and sometimes it just goes all wrong.
Exactly what gave the cop cause to fire? He was unarmed, he was not fleeing, he had not committed a felony, and he was not endangering anyone including himself. Use of deadly force was utterly unjustified by law. The cop deserves to rot in a cell for a long time.
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