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To: Ohioan from Florida
Hildy, I know you didn't direct this towards me, but I can be quite honest with you. If I were ever to be in Terri's place, I would hope like hell that I had a family as loving as her parents and siblings were, who would fight for my right to live whatever the cost, and continue to be fed via a tube for whatever length of time. I mean that.

Then, in my opinion...and this is my opnion alone...you are one of the most selfish people I have ever come across. 99.9% of people would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why? Because of the toll it takes on OTHER people...on the people you love...the effect it has on the people you love. That's why I think it's selfish.

170 posted on 02/02/2006 9:28:37 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy
It's not selfish to want to be kept alive.

The selfish folks are the people in the medical field who "terminate" patients.

I imagine that very few beneficial medical breakthroughs are made by the medical nihilists who think killing is the best answer to injury and disease.

174 posted on 02/02/2006 9:37:45 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: Wampus SC

I think Howard needs to come clean up the Coco Puffs again. You won't believe who spilled them this time.


176 posted on 02/02/2006 9:45:12 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Hildy

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. If you see the gift of life as selfish, then so be it. However, I find your idea of selfishness to be absurd.

I am absolutely certain the Schindlers didn't view caring for Terri and loving her as a burden. That should have been obvious to even you, Hildy. If they say it wasn't a burden, then would Terri have been selfish for wanting to live in her condition?

Is an infant selfish for wanting to live?

Is Haleigh selfish for wanting to live?

Is President Ford selfish for wanting to live?

Are tsunami survivors selfish for wanting to live?

Just think for a minute how ridiculous it is to say that someone is selfish for wanting to live, to be kept alive, by being cared for and loved. The desire to be loved and cared for is a basic human need, Hildy, even for you!!

If you are so hip on the idea of being unselfish, then why are you still alive? Why haven't you committed suicide? If you follow your logic, Hildy, then you yourself are being selfish!

For the record, I really don't believe that you're selfish for wanting to be loved and cared about, Hildy. Please don't off yourself. It wouldn't make me feel any better about you. Quite the opposite, actually. I would feel badly if you committed suicide.


185 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:54 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Hildy
?Z?����?o?�ople would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why?

Maybe they are gullibly listening to the impious generalization that is being kept alive in the media. It goes something like this

People who need much help should get "out of the way" of their more robust fellow humans
Sounds barbaric (no insult meant to barbarians)
195 posted on 02/02/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: Hildy

"....99.9% of people would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why? Because of the toll it takes on OTHER people...on the people you love...the effect it has on the people you love. That's why I think it's selfish."

Selfish is making sick people FEEL that they are a toll.

In my family, we LOVE my dad who has Alzheimer's, and would rather have him alive, despite the added work. That is what TRUE love is.


228 posted on 02/02/2006 6:34:10 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Hildy
>> ...99.9% of people would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why? Because of the toll it takes on OTHER people...on the people you love...

You say that you regard caring for another as a burden, a toll, an imposition.

Let me suggest that the people who inspire us in life see the opposite. They see caring for a loved one as a joy and fulfillment in life. These are the quiet heroes. Yes, they bear a real burden, but bearing that burden is their glory, not something to grumble about.

For instance, we all know of some young couple who gave up their own comforts and recreations in order faithfully to nurse and comfort a disabled child. It doesn't matter whether the child is doomed to die, or may always be handicapped, or will eventually recover. For parents like this, love will not waver. It will shield the child whatever the future brings.

Equally inspiring -- and we often see this -- is an elderly couple taking care of each other, one perhaps pushing a wheel chair for the other, coping with life as they can, still devoted to one another near the end of a long life together. They are going down one of life's toughest roads, as Art Linkletter reminded us with his book, "Old Age Is not for Sissies." But they bear it with love, not with complaints.

There are, of course, many more examples like these. I'll just mention one more to think about: the nursing profession is built on the kind of love that money can't buy. God love dedicated nurses! They give more than anyone could ask. They take home far more than their paycheck.

246 posted on 02/02/2006 8:11:24 PM PST by T'wit (The Constitution may not be perfect but it sure beats what the government is using these days.)
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To: Hildy
"Then, in my opinion...and this is my opnion alone...you are one of the most selfish people I have ever come across. 99.9% of people would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why? Because of the toll it takes on OTHER people...on the people you love...the effect it has on the people you love. That's why I think it's selfish."

Yeah, how DARE them be so selfish as to inconvenience ME! By perversely and selfishly clinging to life, their selfishness inconveniences ME! Their lives are worth NOTHING if they inconvenience ME! THEY MUST DIE for so selfishly inconveniencing ME! ME! ME! ME!</translation mode>
268 posted on 02/02/2006 11:56:29 PM PST by Wampus SC (The king is a fink.)
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