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Bilingual classes to get second look
Houston Chronicle ^ | February 1, 2006 | Jane Elliott janet.elliott@chron.com

Posted on 02/01/2006 3:44:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Texas education officials are ready to hear pros and cons of English immersion

AUSTIN - The State Board of Education will consider the controversial topic of English-immersion instruction as an alternative to the state's bilingual programs at its meeting next week.

The board has invited a California school superintendent and a representative of a conservative East Coast think tank to speak Feb. 9, opening a debate that could extend to the Legislature.

In traditional bilingual classes, students are taught in their native languages while they are learning English. In immersion programs, the students receive all or most of their instruction in English.

Immersion advocates say the program takes advantage of the ability of young students' brains to readily absorb a new language. In some states, students have achieved proficiency more quickly through immersion, but other studies have found the programs don't live up to their billing.

"We're not out to undo years and years of what we've done," said board member Gail Lowe, who initiated the presentation. "But it's incumbent on us to be informed about successful programs."

The board has invited Don Soifer, vice president of the Lexington Institute of Arlington, Va. The public policy group believes in limited government and market-based solutions to public policy challenges.

Also scheduled to speak is Kenneth Noonan, superintendent of the school district in Oceanside, Calif., about 30 miles north of San Diego.

Noonan also is vice chairman of California's State Board of Education.

California's 1-year rule

In 1998, California voters passed a proposition that requires students who are not proficient in English to spend at least one year in a structured English-immersion classroom.

Board Chairwoman Geraldine Miller, R-Dallas, said in a letter to Soifer that the board wants to learn about "ways we as state policymakers can encourage school districts within Texas to move into this model of successful instruction to enable non-English speakers to close the achievement gap more effectively."

Miller said the board is inviting key legislative staffers to attend the session so they might become better-informed about immersion.

Supporters of bilingual education from Texas and California also will address the board.

Board member Joe Bernal, D-San Antonio, credits Texas bilingual programs for helping improve achievement of minority students when compared with similar students in other states.

"We have developed a program with a lot of accountability," said Bernal.

But House Speaker Tom Craddick said last month in a speech to the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation that there needs to be more accountability to make sure students are progressing toward English proficiency.

School districts that have 20 or more students in the same grade who are classified as having limited English skills are required by state law to offer bilingual education. Districts often have problems finding enough bilingual teachers for those students.

Though districts get more money for bilingual students, educators say it isn't enough to help those students catch up. Those students are at high risk of dropping out.

Soifer said bilingual programs segregate students and often put more emphasis on multicultural studies than on teaching students to read and write in English.

Arizona's disappointment

Jeff MacSwan, an associate professor of language and literacy at Arizona State University, said Arizona's experience with English immersion has been dismal.

He found that after a year of English immersion, 11 percent of students he studied had become proficient in the language.

MacSwan said decisions about whether to put students in bilingual or immersion programs are best made at the district level with parental involvement.

"Good conscientious educators can succeed in either model," MacSwan said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bilingual; education; englishimmersion; textbooks

1 posted on 02/01/2006 3:44:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Board of education seeks to broaden textbook control
Attorney general asked to eliminate limits on its power to review content


Associated Press

AUSTIN - Texas Board of Education members aligned with social conservatives have asked the state attorney general to strike down restrictions on their power to review and reject the content of public school textbooks.

The request was initiated by Republican Terri Leo of Spring, one of five board members aligned with social conservatives and a critic of the 1996 legal opinion limiting board control over textbook content.

Leo requested the opinion with the approval of board Chairwoman Geraldine Miller.

Battles over content could touch on the teaching of evolution, what students are told about birth control and sexual abstinence, and interpretations of history.


Morales ruling 'erroneous'

Leo's request for a new opinion argued that the original one issued by former Attorney General Dan Morales was "erroneous on its face" and should be reversed, restoring full board authority over textbook selection.

The letter did not mention that the Legislature has repeatedly rejected bills in the past decade that would have given the board more control to screen and reject textbooks it might deem inappropriate for students.

Former state Sen. Bill Ratliff, who wrote the 1995 law that stripped the board of many of its powers and turned them over to local school boards, said he was "very clear" about his intention to include authority for textbook selection.

Ratliff, a Republican who later served as lieutenant governor, told the Dallas Morning News that Morales' opinion correctly interpreted the law.

"Nothing has changed," Ratliff said. "I am still sure that was the intent of the legislation."


Bipartisan support

While Republican members aligned with social conservatives have been the most ardent critics of the Morales opinion, other board members including some Democrats have supported restoring the panel's textbook-review authority.

After the law was passed, upset board members asked for an opinion from Morales, who upheld the restrictions. He ruled board members were required to approve textbooks that were free of errors and contained at least half of the essential knowledge and skills in their subjects.

Also supporting the Morales opinion at the time was Gov. George W. Bush's press secretary, Karen Hughes, and another GOP leader in the Legislature, Teel Bivins of Amarillo, then chairman of the Senate Education Committee.

Dan Quinn of the Texas Freedom Network, a nonprofit organization that often spars with social conservative groups over religion in schools, said textbook selection had become bogged down by social conservatives' demands for changes on evolution, sex education and other sensitive topics.

"Every year, some board members demonstrate that given the opportunity, they would edit and change textbooks based not on the facts but on their personal beliefs," he said. "This is a road you don't want to go down if you want a good education system."


Opinion is force of law

An attorney general's opinion is a written interpretation of a law. It carries the weight and force of law unless modified or overturned by a judge, the Legislature or a subsequent attorney general's opinion.

Americans for Prosperity, a group that promotes conservative causes, argued that a new attorney general's opinion affirming the board's authority over textbook selection is long overdue.

"We feel strongly they do have the authority and responsibility to review textbooks," said Peggy Venable, the group's director.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3627042.html


2 posted on 02/01/2006 3:47:02 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Immersion was what helped generations of non-English European children to learn English ASAP when they arrived in this country, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't do the same for non-English speaking children from other parts of the world. Well, no reason but the teacher's union.

Incidentally, I think one of the reasons that some people on some threads get so riled up about Hispanic immigrants is precisely because of bilingual programs. They are very divisive and give the impression that Hispanics don't really want to learn English or be part of American society. This is not the truth, of course, and many Hispanics have even sued to get their kids out of "bilingual" classes.

"Bilingual education" has been a disaster from just about every perspective.


3 posted on 02/01/2006 3:50:59 AM PST by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

immersion programs???...what the hell is that???...liberal happy speak for higher taxes??


4 posted on 02/01/2006 4:02:49 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: livius
They may be doing something wrong with immersion. I lived in Germany for 4 years. The Germans have free German lessons for all (Americans included). It is total immersion. There are students from a variety of countries with none speaking the same language. The success rate is very high. Also, I know Americans that put their kids (kindergarten, first grade) in the German instead of DoD School, and they were speaking German like natives by the end of the year.
5 posted on 02/01/2006 4:42:38 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: livius
"Bilingual education" has been a disaster from just about every perspective.

And the root cause of the high rate of dropouts.

6 posted on 02/01/2006 4:47:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Immersion programs are what we used to have before we called them that. In other words, it was just a regular English speaking class room for everybody, although usually with a few pull-out ENGLISH classes for kids who had just arrived and knew no English whatsoever.


7 posted on 02/01/2006 4:48:10 AM PST by livius
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

The problem is that the US schools are not doing immersion.

As you point out, the success rate is very high - mainly because it's really the only way to learn any language well.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 4:49:40 AM PST by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rarliff is a RINO of the first order. He resigned from the state legislature after he could not stop redistricting.

Bilingual programs are just a way some people get/keep thier jobs. Immersion was being used in the valley in 1991 - they know what they need.

9 posted on 02/01/2006 4:55:40 AM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>> Board member Joe Bernal, D-San Antonio, credits Texas bilingual programs for helping improve achievement of minority students when compared with similar students in other states. <<

WTF? Texas has just about the highest drop-out rate in the nation!


10 posted on 02/01/2006 5:39:31 AM PST by dangus
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

>> immersion programs???...what the hell is that???...liberal happy speak for higher taxes?? <<

No, it's the liberals who hate immersion programs. Immersion means exposing children to (gasp!) English.


11 posted on 02/01/2006 5:41:33 AM PST by dangus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pro-choice anyone? Let parents choose whether their kids are in one or the other.

Currently, parents are pressured, or not allowed at all, a choice in the education of their kids. The administrators always shuffle the kids in whatever way will gain the most dollars for the system.

The teacher asked my daughter's class to fill out a form that asked their race and ethnic group. My daughter answered 1/2 and 1/2. The teacher told her bluntly that she could not be half and half. She had to choose one or ther other, which meant either choose mother and reject father or vice versa. My daughter refused.

My wife and I were called in for a conference that was originally billed as a discipline problem with our daughter. It was then that the facts and motivations were uncovered. The asst principal stated that she really would like our daughter labeled "Spanish speaking" so that she could be placed in a bilingual class. There was extra funding available if the school met a certain threshold percentage of Spanish speaking children and the school was only 3 kids short of meeting that threshold. They were also pressuring a couple 4th general kids of Hispanic ancestry to be forced into the bilingual class in order to get the funding.

Follow the money. Change the criteria for getting the money and watch the education theories suddenly change.


12 posted on 02/01/2006 5:49:43 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob; Cincinatus' Wife
They are very divisive and give the impression that Hispanics don't really want to learn English or be part of American society. This is not the truth, of course, and many Hispanics have even sued to get their kids out of "bilingual" classes.

I think all classes should be English immersion and compulsory, that would address Cincinatus' Wife's point that not all Hispanic students are rejecting America. The ones that aren't rejecting us can learn English in the best way, and the ones who are rejecting America (like la Raza supporters) will just have to learn English anyway.

I speak French and Chinese, both pretty well I may say, but only because I lived in each of those countries and that's what I had to speak if I wanted to say anything!! We should do the same in the US, it works!
13 posted on 02/01/2006 6:03:04 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
English immersion: works well on infants, why shouldn't it work on older kids?

""We're not out to undo years and years of what we've done," said board member Gail Lowe..."

Yeah, you really hate to stop doing something that's worked so well!
</sarcasm>

14 posted on 02/01/2006 6:54:51 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Though districts get more money for bilingual students, educators say it isn't enough to help those students catch up."

Have you ever heard of ANY problem that some so-called "educator" couldn't solve with more money?

15 posted on 02/01/2006 6:56:31 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This didn't work in CA and it won't work anywhere else.

What the dems are upset about is that they see the minorities getting out of the rut the dems have dug for them and now the minorities are turning away from the dems.

The only way to get them back is to emmerse them in their own languages and keep them from learning English - which keeps them from getting a good job, etc. Therefore, the minorities will remain dependent on the dems to DO FOR THEM.

DON'T ALLOW BILINGUAL - EXCEPT FOR NEW IMMIGRANTS - WHILE YOU'RE TEACHING THEM ENGLISH!!!


16 posted on 02/01/2006 10:11:54 AM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: starbase

Starbase,
You have the best homepage I've seen on FR.
It should be it's own permanent thread with examples and principles accumulating.

Some of the ones we need to look out for are the ones where we are inarticulate and destroy ourselves with our own words.


17 posted on 02/01/2006 10:48:16 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: CyberAnt

Identity money builds identity politics.
If you get money "because you are gay, or Hispanic, or Black or diabetic or a senior citizen" it builds your group into an identity voting constituency.

If money is appropriated to those who provide goods or services, then the same feeling of indebtedness is not built or expected.

Thus teachers should get money "because they are teachers".
That builds a voting bloc. But calculating the number of students times their improvement in reading level and then basing money on that accomplishment will not build a voting bloc


18 posted on 02/01/2006 10:54:25 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The State of AZ is being fined $500,000/day under court order for not spending enough money to teach English. Another Janet Napolitano caper to throw huge money at a problem, and we'll worry about whether it actually works or not later.

http://www.azcentral.com/families/education/articles/0126english-learners26.html

19 posted on 02/01/2006 10:59:44 AM PST by FlyVet (Our corrupt politicians are better than their corrupt politicians.)
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To: spintreebob
It should be it's own permanent thread with examples and principles accumulating.

Well thank you, that's very nice of you to say. It has been posted as a thread twice. Once originally here as a vanity, then I forwarded it to a web site called StrategyPage.com (with 300,000+ monthly views, not bad), they printed it (it's now in their Information Warfare archives) and then it was re-posted here and gained much more prominence as a non-vanity! (go figure)

That led to my article Who's Controlling The Propaganda In The Media?, which also was fortunate enough to get a decent amount of feedback.

As far as a continuing thread, well I've talked about ping lists and that sort of thing, and there was a media group on FR long before I got here, I met many of them and am friends with them, but we all found that the public appetite for this sort of thing is not a day to day type thing.

Rather it's a read once, change your viewpoint sort of thing. So I just trawl around with the hook in my tag line and I've slowly watched the visits to these posts rise, sometimes nothing in a week and sometimes by a hundred or so in one week. It seems to work OK, but I think a constant central thread wouldn't be used much, based on my experience.

But thanks for the compliment, and if you have any promotional ideas please let me know.

Cheers,

starbase
20 posted on 02/01/2006 8:29:57 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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