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To: metmom

I cannot supply you with the name of a Creationist that has uncovered scientific fraud for the same reason you cannot - there is none.

Creationists spend a lot of time playing up "scientific fraud" as a way to tarnish Science's good name. If scientific fraud were that rampant then a Creationist would find some and start blowing his horn. That hasn't happened and I doubt it's because they don't look. So there are two obvious reasons why and they are not mutually exclusive: 1)there is very little fraud (I think this is a big part of the case), contrary to what Creationists would like the world to believe, and 2)Creationists are not scientifically literate enough to see scientific fraud (i.e. they don't know enough to be able to spot it). To perpetrate scientific fraud today requires a pretty sneaky person sophisticated enough to get the fraud past editors and peer reviewers. That's a tall order.

So Creationists wait for someone else to uncover the fraud and jump on it and blow it up.

If you have objective information that invalidates my conclusions I will gladly broadcast my error right here where it began. But until then, my conclusion stands.


487 posted on 01/31/2006 8:39:26 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws
"I cannot supply you with the name of a Creationist that has uncovered scientific fraud for the same reason you cannot - there is none."

What CAN be done, is to show fraud comitted by none other than Intelligengent Design Movement founder Phillip E Johnson:

The most serious specific allegation leveled by a number of critics is that Johnson is often intellectually dishonest in his arguments advancing intelligent design and attacking the scientific community. [14] [15] For example, he has been accused of numerous equivocations, particularly involving the term naturalism which can refer either to methodological naturalism or to philosophical naturalism. [16] [17]

In fact-checking Johnson's books Darwin on Trial and Defeating Darwinism, one reviewer discovered that almost every scientific source Johnson cited had been misused or distorted, from simple misinterpretations and innuendos to outright fabrications. The reviewer, Brian Spitzer, a professor of Biology, described Darwin on Trial the most deceptive book he had ever read. [18]


489 posted on 01/31/2006 8:45:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: furball4paws
Creationists spend a lot of time playing up "scientific fraud" as a way to tarnish Science's good name. If scientific fraud were that rampant then a Creationist would find some and start blowing his horn. That hasn't happened and I doubt it's because they don't look. So there are two obvious reasons why and they are not mutually exclusive: 1)there is very little fraud (I think this is a big part of the case), contrary to what Creationists would like the world to believe, and 2)Creationists are not scientifically literate enough to see scientific fraud (i.e. they don't know enough to be able to spot it).

...and 3) Creationists are so busy labeling *everything* in evolutionary biology as "fraud" (e.g. Wells has made his career doing that) that they'd look really silly if they suddenly issued a press release saying, "oh, wait, never mind those other accusations, we finally found a *real* example of fraud, come look!"

They're like the boy who cried "wolf".

708 posted on 02/01/2006 7:41:21 PM PST by Ichneumon
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