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To: Dimensio
why make mention of a supernatural entity in a context that cannot, in any way, address the supernatural?

That is exactly my point. Science is not the only begetter of Truth, and all these threads deriding creationists just make me shake my head in disbelief of the hypocrisy going on.

What I see are evolutionists mocking Christians because the Christians' faith doesn't match up to your naturalistic world view.

You choose to limit yourself and your beliefs to what you can touch, see, smell, and measure. There is more to life than the physical world. When you limit yourself to believing that science is the only begetter of truth, then you are making initial assumptions that should not be made.

The reason I connected the TOE and no mention of God and no other scientific theory, is that the TOE directly contradicts the Christian creation story. Relativity, gravity, etc. are merely theories observing how the universe works. The TOE attempts to explain our origins, creation (yes, I know, but the TOE relies on the Big Bang, etc. theories), and tries to discredit the Creator.

166 posted on 01/31/2006 9:26:17 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
The reason I connected the TOE and no mention of God and no other scientific theory, is that the TOE directly contradicts the Christian creation story.

So, if you read that story literally, does physics, astronomy, geology, chemistry, and virtually every other scientific field.

168 posted on 01/31/2006 9:28:47 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: ShadowAce
The reason I connected the TOE and no mention of God and no other scientific theory, is that the TOE directly contradicts the Christian creation story. Relativity, gravity, etc. are merely theories observing how the universe works. The TOE attempts to explain our origins, creation (yes, I know, but the TOE relies on the Big Bang, etc. theories), and tries to discredit the Creator.

This is where I have to shake my head... The theory of evolution doen't "tr[y] to discredit the Creator," it explains the diversity of living things. If that "directly controadicts the Christian creation story," than that means that this story is unrealistic and does not reflect nature and the real world. It isn't that the theory of evolution is making a statement about Christianity, it is making a statement about nature. The fact that the Christian story doesn't coincide with the theory or nature is a problem of the story (or your understanding of that story), not of the theory or nature.

234 posted on 01/31/2006 11:02:01 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: ShadowAce
What I see are evolutionists mocking Christians because the Christians' faith doesn't match up to your naturalistic world view.

That's because you want to see it. What is really happening is a mocking of a subset of Christian creationists (not all Christians reject evolution) for deliberately and willfully ignoring reality (witness editor-surveyor's outright dismissal of Ichneumon's post as "propaganda", without even addressing the content, and then claiming that no one ever presents evidence for evolution).

The reason I connected the TOE and no mention of God and no other scientific theory, is that the TOE directly contradicts the Christian creation story.

It is not the fault of reality that it produces observations contrary to a certain interpretation of a specific religious story. Evolution is not attempting to "contradict" your religious belief, it just so happens that observed reality happens to contradict it, in addition to a multitude of other religious stories of various other religions.

The TOE attempts to explain our origins, creation (yes, I know, but the TOE relies on the Big Bang, etc. theories)

Actually, the ToE does not "rely" on the Big Bang theory at all. The ToE does not require that the Big Bang theory be correct.

and tries to discredit the Creator.

No, it does not "try" to do this at all. The ToE is simply an explanation of species diversity based upon observations of the natural universe (constrained, of course, to where such observations are relevant). It is not "attempting" to overthrow any particular religious belief. You are mistaking reality contradicting your religious beliefs with those who observe reality actively trying to "overthrow" your religious belief. That is your paranoid delusion, not what is really happening.
325 posted on 01/31/2006 2:03:00 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ShadowAce
What I see are evolutionists mocking Christians because the Christians' faith doesn't match up to your naturalistic world view.

No, you don't. You see evolutionists mocking people, some of which happen to be Christians, for posting falsehoods, bogus arguments, and misrepresentations about science. We also mock bogus arguments in favor of God(s). *Faith* doesn't bother us, belief in one or more deities doesn't bother us. It's the people who overconfidently think they have a good argument when they don't, the people who think they know a subject well enough to "debunk" it when they don't, and the especially the folks who are arrogant and insulting while they do the above who we cheerfully mock, for they richly deserve it.

377 posted on 01/31/2006 3:30:58 PM PST by Ichneumon
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