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To: Siena Dreaming
But the theory of man coming from apes is much more logical..../sarcasm.

Anyone that believes the theory of evolution claims that man came from apes doesn't know the theory enough to criticize it. You're obviously ignorant.

The theory claims that man and the apes evolved from a common ancestor.

16 posted on 01/30/2006 11:09:46 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e
Yes, that has been the theory ever since the missing link failed to materialize.
20 posted on 01/30/2006 11:13:24 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: mc6809e
Anyone that believes the theory of evolution claims that man came from apes doesn't know the theory enough to criticize it. You're obviously ignorant.

The theory claims that man and the apes evolved from a common ancestor.

As someone who accepts evolution and has studied it more than most people, I say you're wrong. Man evolved from ape.

I say this because humans and chimps shared a common ancestor more recently than their common ancestor with gorillas, which in turn comes after their common ancestor with orangutans. So if you say that man did not evolve from ape, you must say that the human-chimp common ancestor was not an ape.

But then you have to explain how orangutans and gorillas--which by that time were separate species--achieved ape-hood independently of the chimps at some later time. In that case, the term "ape" loses all taxonomic meaning, as it's not an inherited distinction. Therefore, I say that the last human ancestor was definitely an ape, thus man evolved from ape.

On second, thought, though, perhaps it is inaccurate to say that "man evolved from ape", because by my same logic, man still is an ape. Perhaps we should instead say that "man evolved to ape!"

78 posted on 01/31/2006 4:32:58 AM PST by Physicist
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To: mc6809e
Anyone that believes the theory of evolution claims that man came from apes doesn't know the theory enough to criticize it.

I'm quite confident in saying that evolution predicts an ape in the ancestry of humans. If you could use a time machine to follow back modern man's ancestry, it would take you through increasingly (as we see it) apelike creatures until you reached something which you would absolutely have to call an ape. It wouldn't be any modern species exactly, but it would be very close to a chimpanzee.

Furthermore, if you followed back further (say, 30-40 million years), you would reach creatures which were much more primitive and had noticeable tails. They would be monkeys, in other words. Not any particular modern species, but monkeys.

Go back farther yet, to the early Devonian, you will have traced our ancestral line through the only vertebrates around then--fish.

I see your claim all the time. "Evolution says man and apes (and/or monkeys) are descended from a common ancestor. It does not say man is descended from apes."

Evolution says both things. We are not descended from gorillas or even chimpanzees. (However, our last common ancestor with the latter is only about 5-7 million years back. Not only are they our closest relatives, but we are theirs.) It also says that our line is a twig on the ape branch, the apes arose from the monkeys, the monkeys from earlier primate groups, primates from earlier tree-dwelling mammals, etc.

88 posted on 01/31/2006 6:56:09 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: mc6809e
Anyone that believes the theory of evolution claims that man came from apes doesn't know the theory enough to criticize it. You're obviously ignorant.

here let me fix that for you.

Anyone that believes God is a space alien doesn't know the theory enough to criticize it. You're obviously ignorant.

see how fun it is to play the namecalling game.
not really.

133 posted on 01/31/2006 8:56:05 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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