... These Justice Department lawyers, backed by their intrepid boss Comey, had stood up to the hard-liners, centered in the office of the vice president, who wanted to give the president virtually unlimited powers in the war on terror. Demanding that the White House stop using what they saw as farfetched rationales for riding rough-shod over the law and the Constitution, Goldsmith and the others fought to bring government spying and interrogation methods within the law. They did so at their peril; ostracized, some were denied promotions, while others left for more comfortable climes in private law firms and academia. ... These government attorneys did not always succeed, but their efforts went a long way toward vindicating the principle of a nation of laws and not men.
continued...
To those with whom I argued, back in '01, that the US had no history of torturing POW's and that there were not going to be abuses at Gitmo, I apologize for my foolish ignorance.
1 posted on
01/30/2006 3:25:36 PM PST by
Anthem
To: Anthem
RIGHT! It's "Flush the Koran" Newsweek. I am sorry but until they publish a front page apology for publishing a fraudelent story last yeat that was out right Al Qeda propaganda, Newsweek has NO crediblity as a "news" source. Nice try DU.
2 posted on
01/30/2006 3:29:48 PM PST by
MNJohnnie
(Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
To: Anthem
Their insurrection, described to NEWSWEEK by current and
former administration officials who did not wish to be identified discussing confidential deliberations, is one of the most significant and intriguing untold stories of the war on terror.
Journalistic Fraud. If you cannot name names it is rumor and innuendo NOT news. Even a High School Journalism student would know better then to publish this. This story does not even warrent an F. It gets an I. Incompetent, Incomplete and Incoherent
3 posted on
01/30/2006 3:32:21 PM PST by
MNJohnnie
(Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
To: Anthem
"To those with whom I argued, back in '01, that the US had no history of torturing POW's"
Every one does. "Torture" has been redefined to be what most penetentiaries do.
"and that there were not going to be abuses at Gitmo, I apologize for my foolish ignorance."
There's abuses in every prison in the world. Catch up.
4 posted on
01/30/2006 3:33:42 PM PST by
Shermy
To: Anthem
No enough 'abuses' at Gitmo IMHO, we're fighting beheaders here, killers of innocent children. Torture them all to death if it saves one American soldier's life, or any innocent life.
5 posted on
01/30/2006 3:34:43 PM PST by
wvobiwan
(It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
To: Anthem
see also:
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/n_9353/
6 posted on
01/30/2006 3:36:01 PM PST by
xcamel
(Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
To: Anthem
I saw a guy on with Dan Abrams today who worked with these guys; he doesn't remember it QUITE the same way these guys do.
7 posted on
01/30/2006 3:36:24 PM PST by
Howlin
(Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
To: Anthem
...the ignorance continues...
8 posted on
01/30/2006 3:37:03 PM PST by
RightResponse
(What if the Left, just got up and .....)
To: Anthem; Shermy
They fought a quiet battle to rein in the president's power in the war on terror. They quietly obstructed the war.
At each step along the way, just ask yourself what we would have done during the forties. And how long we would have tolerated men like these in positions of wartime responsibility.
12 posted on
01/30/2006 4:12:10 PM PST by
marron
To: Anthem
I don't trust Newsweek and my instinct is to trust the President. It's easy to officially not torture prisoners when you are meeting armies in the field and defeating them through superiour force of arms and when nations make war on you in the open.
Our enemies are hidden and we must adapt.
21 posted on
01/30/2006 5:13:58 PM PST by
jjm2111
To: Anthem
So, you have chosen to trust Newsweek's reporting? Given their track record, that's an odd choice.
22 posted on
01/30/2006 5:35:48 PM PST by
okie01
(The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
To: Anthem
To those with whom I argued, back in '01, that the US had no history of torturing POW's and that there were not going to be abuses at Gitmo, I apologize for my foolish ignorance. I hope you have more going for your change of heart than this article because it is at best, weak. Personally I'm happy that they are playing smash-mouth behind the scenes and pushing the envelope as far as they can, we are facing an uncivilized enemy.
25 posted on
01/30/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by
Dolphy
To: Anthem
You seem to be making the assumption that all of these powers are not needed to wage an effective war against terror, or if they are, just say no, because we just become more like our enemy. The first point is an assertion, the second might be characterized as an over indulgence in aesthetics that might risk life and limb. The bill of rights, and all the rest, is not a suicide pact, at least that is the way I would parse it each and every time that I was asked. One can't be dead by virtue of a Utopian reach of individual rights at the expense of communal defense, while enjoying such rights, at the same time, at least not while on this mortal coil.
36 posted on
01/30/2006 6:59:45 PM PST by
Torie
To: Anthem
White House stop using what they saw as farfetched rationales for riding rough-shod over the law and the Constitution, Goldsmith and the others fought to bring government spying and interrogation methods within the law... Have you done any study of the Second Section of the Constitution, and the Laws of War that were passed by Congress in the 1700s?
Just because a Lawyer isn't familiar with the Laws of War does not mean they don't apply.
The laws of war apply to what is happening now. There still are Attornys and Politicians who want to approach this as a law enforcement exercise, and not as a hostile military operation.
Look up what the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals said about Padilla when they last ruled on him.
To: Anthem; All
Another career bureacrat democrat who had to bail out because he realised he was never going to get promoted.
This is utter BS.
The problem is the low level DOJ lawyers are trained by leftist law schools and themselves invested in the left wing agenda.
Sadly these days most ALL federal judges come from the DOJ prosecutor ranks.
To: Anthem
There ain't enough "abuses" at Gitmo. We should torture 'em, find out what they know. When we've heard enough, give 'em a bullet in the head and a watery grave.
That's better than what they deserve or what they'd do to us.
63 posted on
01/31/2006 5:44:26 AM PST by
Little Ray
(I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
To: Anthem
Your ‘hero’ here, Jack Goldsmith , has since gone on to praise the communist Chinese’ control and censorship of free speech.
67 posted on
02/09/2021 10:51:53 PM PST by
piasa
(Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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