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Jill Carroll in new video aired on Al-Jazeera (Developing...)
Drudge Report ^ | January 30, 2006 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 01/30/2006 12:53:13 PM PST by jdm

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To: StAnDeliver

I'm sure you know this, but it was the ability of Christians to face their martyrdom without losing their faith that caused millions to convert.


41 posted on 01/30/2006 2:06:22 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness

I think you are onto something. Lets use a really cute girl. That will get some results.


42 posted on 01/30/2006 2:06:46 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: jimbo123

Have you ever heard the phrase, "and the Oscar goes to.."?


43 posted on 01/30/2006 2:09:10 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness

I don't think the Viking Kitties are needed. It has crossed my mind as well that the Jill Carroll kidnapping COULD be a hoax.


44 posted on 01/30/2006 2:10:30 PM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: freeplancer

I like to point out that Karla Faye, due to her conversion, went to her death in a faithful, dignified manner. She largely stayed out of the round of pleadings trying to get her pardoned. I thought she was one of the good ones.


45 posted on 01/30/2006 2:10:49 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: rwfromkansas

With all that religious crap on your profile, you sure are mean and judgemental.


46 posted on 01/30/2006 2:11:13 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Flavius Josephus

Yep, she was a beaut!


47 posted on 01/30/2006 2:12:13 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: freeplancer
I don't know about her one way or another. I just saw the video (with no sound) and the woman looks terrified for her life.

God only knows what they've done to her already (collaborator or not, she's a woman and we all know how they rate with the islamofacists).

Pray for her soul.

48 posted on 01/30/2006 2:13:48 PM PST by Looking4Truth (It ain't the race, it's the culture!)
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness
I strongly believe Jill Carroll is a FAKE.

If she gets out alive, I'd agree with you. From what little I've read of her past, I'd be tempted to anyway, but if they let her go, that pretty much clinches it IMO.

49 posted on 01/30/2006 2:14:20 PM PST by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: freeplancer

Christ wasn't nice to the moneychangers and called people vipers.

Forgive me for not having your simplistic view of theology.


50 posted on 01/30/2006 2:15:09 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: metalcor
...I would point out that you have absoultely [sic] no basis in making such a statement and it displays a total lack of class. What I know of the young lady I know through reading her own reports and accounts about her on some of her friends blogs--she and they are no friends of the insurgency or terrorists. She will most likely die as the ending to a horrific experience she did not deserve-- she certainly doesn't deserve wild accusations about her character at this point.


Jill Carroll went to Iraq to report on the afflictions suffered by the Iraqi people.  "Afflictions" is a safe word for atrocities. Anyone who thinks that they could do more good in the Middle East than in the U.S. gets NO sympathy from me.

I watched the 2nd video; the hijabed Jill looks fake and pathetic to me.
 

51 posted on 01/30/2006 2:23:38 PM PST by Maximus_Ridiculousness (Chloe O'Brian ROCKS!!!)
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To: jdm
I feel sorry for this woman and it is a good reason to not be running around the Middle East right now if not at least with a military escort.

This is reminiscent of Islam with women anyway IMO.
I think they brutalize their women anyway.
Good lesson for non-Muslim people to see IMO.
52 posted on 01/30/2006 2:26:01 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Jackass.

That's Mrs. Jackass to you.

53 posted on 01/30/2006 2:26:16 PM PST by Maximus_Ridiculousness (Chloe O'Brian ROCKS!!!)
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To: rwfromkansas

You are funny. Christ also was the only one qualified to judge people on this earth. Maybe you come in a close second.


54 posted on 01/30/2006 2:34:31 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness
If those reports included the 'afflictions' sufferred by the Iraqis under Saddam, what would that mean? If it included the 'afflictions' of the Iraqis due to the insurgency, what would that mean? You are jumping a lot of streams in your reasoning.

Have you read ANY of her reports in the CS Monitor? She was as straight up a reporter as any you will find there. I have also followed a couple of blogs written by close friends of hers in Iraq, and they are very critical and scared to death of the insurgency and the other terrorists. They also say she is no Muslim and talk of times they have shared drinks with her. They are secular, themselves.

I acknowledge there is some remote possibility that your view is correct, but such statements about her at a time her life is in the balance is what I find without class.

So, if you are right, you get to feel sanctimonious. If you are wrong and she is in fact an admirable young American woman, as all who know her seem to say she is, and has her head chopped off then maybe you will say, 'Oops, guess I was wrong' and carry on while her friends and family will not. I know what it is like to have a young daughter in Iraq with her life threatened. My thoughts are with them.
55 posted on 01/30/2006 2:46:09 PM PST by metalcor
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To: rwfromkansas; freeplancer
Christ wasn't nice to the moneychangers and called people vipers.

Why is it that every "Christian" jerk I see uses this as an example? Must be because Christ never preached that behavior like theirs was the way to act.

56 posted on 01/30/2006 2:48:26 PM PST by cryptical
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To: jdm

She's a wackjob who writes "I love Palis and hate JOOOOOZ" articles. This kidnapping is BS


57 posted on 01/30/2006 2:57:06 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: freeplancer

"Do you not know you [the church] will judge the angels?"

"judge righteous judgment." "rebuke"

Yeah, we aren't to judge.


58 posted on 01/30/2006 2:59:34 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Maximus_Ridiculousness
For the rocord, Jill Carroll writes articles like this one:

Two Years After the War

By Jill Carroll, Christian Science Monitor. Posted March 21, 2005.

Last week, Diyala Province felt the benefit of American reconstruction money: two farm cooperatives got under way, providing a much-needed source of income for several families in the often violent province.

This week, the area felt the sting of the insurgency: A suicide bomber drove into an Iraqi Army checkpoint, killing several soldiers.

Two years after U.S. forces rolled into Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein, contradictory forces are tugging at the war-torn country. Iraqis turned out in droves to vote for an 275-member assembly that took its seats Wednesday. Many are enthusiastically tapping into a world long closed to them by sanctions – snapping up satellite TV dishes and imported food.

But an aggressive insurgency has stymied crucial tasks of rebuilding and providing security, disillusioning ordinary Iraqis who thought the U.S. presence would bring rapid change.

"There are some positive developments," says Rachel Bronson, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. But "in the context of the security situation it's hard to say it's going well."

By now, military planners had envisioned a U.S. presence that was a fraction of the 150,000 troops currently in Iraq. Oil revenues and foreign business investment were expected to provide jobs and buoy the economy.

The U.S. Agency for International Development says it has spent some $4.8 billion so far on reconstruction projects across Iraq. But restoring basic services and creating new jobs is proving problematic.

"Everything shuts down without law and order," Ms. Bronson says. "It doesn't matter if you have jobs if you can't get to those jobs."

Indeed, few U.S. efforts are reaching into the country's most troubled areas. While restive Diyala has received aid to start its beekeeping and calf cooperatives, along with sewage improvements and assistance to local government, most projects are in relatively stable areas to the north and in some areas of the south, according to the latest USAID update.

Still, Iraqis have seen progress on a number of fronts.

While unemployment is about 48 percent, according to the Ministry of Labor and Social Labor and Social Affairs, salaries are higher for the jobs that are available, typically ones linked to the government. Salaries of teachers, bureaucrats, and policemen, have gone up, as have pensions. The starting salary of a policeman is about $220, enough for a family to live on and, to many Iraqis, worth the risk of being targeted by insurgents. Some pensioners and teachers have seen their income grow tenfold.

As a result, many families say they can now afford meat with most meals and a wider variety of fruits and vegetables. This, despite prices that have spiked by about a third on some food items, including meat, fruits, and vegetables, according to merchants in Baghdad. But canned foods, soft drinks, and bananas, virtually taxed out of existence before the war, are now available at a fraction of their Hussein-era prices.

Electronic equipment has also been flying off the shelves since the war opened borders once shuttered by sanctions.

Many Iraqis can also afford a mobile phone, a modern convenience banned under Saddam Hussein. Egyptian-owned Orascom Telecom, which provides mobile-phone service to Baghdad and central Iraq, had 82,000 subscribers at the end of 2003, the year the company began operating in Iraq. By November 2004, it had signed up 480,000 subscribers and is now planning to reach 1 million subscribers by the end of this year by spreading its services to southern and northern Iraq, according to the company's web site.

But Orascom's experience is emblematic of the problems facing those trying to take advantage of new opportunities.

Security problems have made it difficult for the company's workers, who have been kidnapped and shot at, to expand the network. Currently, it may require a dozen attempts before phones connect, and the network often doesn't work at all during large chunks of the day.

Insurgents have worked to undermine basic services like electricity and water supplies in an effort to turn Iraqis against the U.S. and erode American will to stay in Iraq. It's a hallmark tactic of "fourth generation warfare," says Col. Thomas Hammes, a senior military fellow at the National Defense University.

Insurgents "seek to convince enemy political leaders that their strategic goals are either unachievable or too costly for the perceived benefit. The fundamental precept is that superior political will, when properly employed, can defeat greater economic and military power," he wrote in a paper published in January.

That means two years after war began, electricity is on about two out of every six hours in the capital because insurgents are attacking the workers trying to repair the power grid. Electricity output has been restored only to prewar levels, 4,400 megawatts a day.

But unlike Hussein's era, it is distributed equitably. Baghdad, once given extra electricity at the expense of southern regions which Hussein repressed, now has to share with the rest of the country.

Insurgents have also struck at Iraqis' aging oil infrastructure, which U.S. administration officials expected to be the lifeblood of the country's reconstruction. Insurgents have handed out leaflets saying working on the oil infrastructure is helping the U.S., and anyone doing so will be killed. They have made good on those threats, attacking workers trying to repair damaged pipelines and refineries.

Attacks on oil tankers, pipelines, and refineries, particularly this fall, have periodically cut as much as 100,000 of barrels of production from the country's usual average of 2 million barrels a day.

As a result, Iraqis had to wait as much as two days this fall and winter for a fill-up.

Attacks jumped from about 12 each month before the U.S. handover of sovereignty June 28 to about 24 a month in October 2004, spiking at 46 attacks in November and continuing into the winter with about one or two a day, according the interim Oil Minister Thamer Ghadban.

But most Iraqis say they can live with gas lines and power outages if they can be assured of safety.

"Yes, some new things are available now, mobile phones, satellite TV, new cars. But the thing that we lost is more valuable," says Basim Majid, the manager of an electronics store. "We are in the middle of chaos and there is no way back. I hope they use force to spread security."

Bassam Henna, who is unemployed, is discouraged. "Frankly, the time of Saddam was better in general," he says. "Not Saddam himself, with all his faults and all his mistakes, but in general, that time was better than now. If we are missing him, imagine what the situation is like."

Whether or not she's dead, and I hope she isn't.....she went there to help the terrorists.

59 posted on 01/30/2006 3:03:45 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: jimbo123

She looks awful. I feel really bad for her. No one deserves this treatment. I remember she wears glasses. In none of the videos has she worn glasses. She probably can't see very well and they've probably raped her. Sadly, her parents have to see this.


60 posted on 01/30/2006 3:12:08 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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