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Intelligent Design belittles God, Vatican director says
Catholic Online ^ | 30 January 2006 | Mark Lombard

Posted on 01/30/2006 6:37:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry

Intelligent Design reduces and belittles God’s power and might, according to the director of the Vatican Observatory.

Science is and should be seen as “completely neutral” on the issue of the theistic or atheistic implications of scientific results, says Father George V. Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, while noting that “science and religion are totally separate pursuits.”

Father Coyne is scheduled to deliver the annual Aquinas Lecture on “Science Does Not Need God, or Does It? A Catholic Scientist Looks at Evolution” at Palm Beach Atlantic University, an interdenominational Christian university of about 3,100 students, here Jan. 31. The talk is sponsored by the Newman Club, and scheduled in conjunction with the Jan. 28 feast of St. Thomas Aquinas.

Catholic Online received an advanced copy of the remarks from the Jesuit priest-astronomer, who heads the Vatican Observatory, which has sites at Castel Gandolfo, south of Rome, and on Mount Graham in Arizona.

Christianity is “radically creationist,” Father George V. Coyne said, but it is not best described by the “crude creationism” of the fundamental, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis or by the Newtonian dictatorial God who makes the universe tick along like a watch. Rather, he stresses, God acts as a parent toward the universe, nurturing, encouraging and working with it.

In his remarks, he also criticizes the cardinal archbishop of Vienna’s support for Intelligent Design and notes that Pope John Paul’s declaration that “evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis” is “a fundamental church teaching” which advances the evolutionary debate.

He calls “mistaken” the belief that the Bible should be used “as a source of scientific knowledge,” which then serves to “unduly complicate the debate over evolution.”

And while Charles Darwin receives most of the attention in the debate over evolution, Father Coyne said it was the 18th-century French naturalist Georges Buffon, condemned a hundred years before Darwin for suggesting that “it took billions of years to form the crust of the earth,” who “caused problems for the theologians with the implications that might be drawn from the theory of evolution.”

He points to the “marvelous intuition” of Roman Catholic Cardinal John Henry Newman who said in 1868, “the theory of Darwin, true or not, is not necessarily atheistic; on the contrary, it may simply be suggesting a larger idea of divine providence and skill.”

Pope John Paul Paul II, he adds, told the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1996 that “new scientific knowledge has led us to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis.”

He criticizes Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna for instigating a “tragic” episode “in the relationship of the Catholic Church to science” through the prelate’s July 7, 2005, article he wrote for the New York Times that “neo-Darwinian evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine,” while the Intelligent Design theory is.

Cardinal Schonborn “is in error,” the Vatican observatory director says, on “at least five fundamental issues.”

“One, the scientific theory of evolution, as all scientific theories, is completely neutral with respect to religious thinking; two, the message of John Paul II, which I have just referred to and which is dismissed by the cardinal as ‘rather vague and unimportant,’ is a fundamental church teaching which significantly advances the evolution debate; three, neo-Darwinian evolution is not in the words of the cardinal, ‘an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection;’ four, the apparent directionality seen by science in the evolutionary process does not require a designer; five, Intelligent Design is not science despite the cardinal’s statement that ‘neo-Darwinism and the multi-verse hypothesis in cosmology [were] invented to avoid the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science,’” Father Coyne says.

Christianity is “radically creationist” and God is the “creator of the universe,” he says, but in “a totally different sense” than creationism has come to mean.

“It is unfortunate that, especially here in America, creationism has come to mean some fundamentalistic, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis,” he stresses. “It is rooted in a belief that everything depends upon God, or better, all is a gift from God. The universe is not God and it cannot exist independently of God. Neither pantheism nor naturalism is true.”

He says that God is not needed to explain the “scientific picture of life’s origins in terms of religious belief.”

“To need God would be a very denial of God. God is not a response to a need,” the Jesuit says, adding that some religious believers act as if they “fondly hope for the durability of certain gaps in our scientific knowledge of evolution, so that they can fill them with God.”

Yet, he adds, this is the opposite of what human intelligence should be working toward. “We should be seeking for the fullness of God in creation.”

Modern science reveals to the religious believer “God who made a universe that has within it a certain dynamism and thus participates in the very creativity of God,” Father Coyne says, adding that this view of creation is not new but can be found in early Christian writings, including from those of St. Augustine.

“Religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly.”

He proposes to describe God’s relationship with the universe as that of a parent with a child, with God nurturing, preserving and enriching its individual character. “God should be seen more as a parent or as one who speaks encouraging and sustaining words.”

He stresses that the theory of Intelligent Design diminishes God into “an engineer who designs systems rather than a lover.”

“God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world which reflects that freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater complexity,” he said. “God lets the world be what it will be in its continuous evolution. He does not intervene, but rather allows, participates, loves.”

The concludes his prepared remarks noting that science challenges believers’ traditional understanding of God and the universe to look beyond “crude creationism” to a view that preserves the special character of both.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationisminadress; crevolist; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for the ping. I will ping my list.


81 posted on 01/30/2006 9:39:57 AM PST by curiosity
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To: narby; Varda; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; marron; D-fendr; Junior; Aquinasfan; ...

Faith and Science Ping.

Freepmail me if you want to join this pinglist.


82 posted on 01/30/2006 9:41:09 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Virginia-American
Or am I missing the point entirely?

The important thing is that there is supposedly a conflict between philosophy and reality. Obviously, therefore, reality is in error.

83 posted on 01/30/2006 9:41:09 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: furball4paws
Seriously, he's more of a prophet than a saint. A prophet with a **very** impressive record of fulfillment.

I can't find an online copy, but Abraham Pais described the Royal Society meeting where the deflection of starlight by the Sun was announced by Eddington as "Einstein's canonization". He described, in some detail, the roles (his defender, the "devil's advocate", et al), and the "miracle" required of a saint: Einstein had predicted something no one had ever before seen in the sky, and it was there!.

84 posted on 01/30/2006 9:42:50 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: furball4paws

Well, we evos are always being accused of faking fossils, so the relics shouldn't be any problem....


85 posted on 01/30/2006 9:45:50 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

I don't have a problem with St. Albert, but St. Chuckie would be much more, ummmm, errrr, "interesting".


86 posted on 01/30/2006 9:48:08 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Virginia-American; PatrickHenry

What we need is a miracle. Perhaps PH could arrange one?


87 posted on 01/30/2006 9:49:37 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: The Red Zone
God's motto is "I AM" not "I EVOLVE". You want that, go to Hinduism.

God's motto?

88 posted on 01/30/2006 9:57:42 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Aquinasfan
If every creature is in the process of change from one species to another...

Actually, it's quite possible (even likely) that most speices are not in a process of change most of the time. The rate of evolution is not constant, and may be very close to zero for many creatures for very long periods of time (on the order of tens of millions of years), followed by relatively short periods (on the order of thousands or tens of thousands of years) of evolution, followed again by periods of stasis.

89 posted on 01/30/2006 10:01:43 AM PST by curiosity
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To: PatrickHenry

Nice opinion, Father Coyne. I don't agree.


90 posted on 01/30/2006 10:04:04 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: PatrickHenry

non-linear dynamical placemarker


91 posted on 01/30/2006 10:05:53 AM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: PatrickHenry
He stresses that the theory of Intelligent Design diminishes God into “an engineer who designs systems rather than a lover.”

I am an engineer and a lover too.

92 posted on 01/30/2006 10:16:38 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile

Ah, a diminished god.


93 posted on 01/30/2006 10:19:51 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: curiosity
followed by relatively short periods (on the order of thousands or tens of thousands of years) of evolution

But the problem arises here again.

94 posted on 01/30/2006 10:21:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: furball4paws
Ah, a diminished god.

Who are you calling a diminished god? Me or God?

96 posted on 01/30/2006 10:26:39 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Pyro7480

The Wedge Document or Wedge Stategy:

http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

The Discovery Institute, the think tank promoting ID developed the Wedge Document, stating as “Governing Goals” to “defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies” and “replace materialistic explanations with the theistic belief that human beings are created by God.

They also specifically stated that they would change the name from creationism to ID in order to get around the pesky laws that prohibit teaching religion in schools. Many of the creationism articles they wrote were recycled with the words "creationism" being replaced with "Intelligent Design" (global search and replace). No other changes were made. In other words, they decided to lie for God.

In the Dover case, the defendants were found to have lied on the stand, under oath, many times. Unfortunately, there aren't nearly as many people around here calling for perjury trials for them than you saw with B.J.Clinton.


97 posted on 01/30/2006 10:28:41 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: furball4paws; Virginia-American
What we need is a miracle. Perhaps PH could arrange one?

I have a miraculous record of being cured of every illness I've ever had. What are the odds of such a thing's happening? It must be the hand of Darwin. You can't prove it wasn't. Teach the controversy!

98 posted on 01/30/2006 10:29:01 AM PST by PatrickHenry (True conservatives revere Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, and the Founding Fathers.)
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To: PatrickHenry

WOW!


99 posted on 01/30/2006 10:31:13 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

100


100 posted on 01/30/2006 10:31:38 AM PST by PatrickHenry (True conservatives revere Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, and the Founding Fathers.)
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