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Great Britain: Don't Dare mess with us (HMS Daring billed as world's most advanced warship)
The Sun (U.K.) ^ | January 30, 2006 | TOM NEWTON DUNN

Posted on 01/30/2006 2:29:38 AM PST by Stoat

EXCLUSIVE
Don't Dare mess with us
Awesome ... Sun man on supership
Awesome ... Sun man on supership
Pictures: PAUL EDWARDS
 
 
 

By TOM NEWTON DUNN


Defence Editor

 THIS is the deadliest ship ever built — the Navy’s awesome new Type 45 destroyer.

HMS Daring boasts an extraordinary array of firepower. And The Sun was given an exclusive tour of the state-of-the art warship.

Daring is the first of a batch of eight Type 45 destroyers — built at a total cost of £6BILLION.

Weighing in at 8,000 tonnes, the 14-deck monster is almost twice the size of the current Type 42s.

She is armed with 48 Aster missiles with 40lb warheads — each can stop even the fastest enemy jet 60 miles away.

 


 

Skipper ... Cmdr David Shutts
Skipper ... Cmdr David Shutts
 


The ship, built by BAe in Glasgow, will be launched by the Countess of Wessex on Wednesday.
 
Defence Secretary John Reid said: “The launch of the Type 45 is a milestone for the Royal Navy.”

HMS Daring’s first captain, Commander David Shutts, said: “Sailors have begged to serve on her.” 


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; daring; england; greatbritain; hmsdaring; navy; royalnavy; rulethewaves; ship; ships; uk; unitedkingdom; waronterror; warships
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To: jecIIny

Spent a lot of time working with the Indians, Japanese, Dutch, and Germans in my day. Top-flight squids, all.


41 posted on 01/30/2006 9:02:44 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: countorlock
Bunking for male couples?

Let us all hope and pray that this sort of insanity

Great Britain Gay soldier to wed partner (Dad of 3 to live with new 'wife' in Army quarters)

will not be implemented in the Royal Navy or on this fine ship, and that Great Britain's proud traditions will not be sullied by this sort of vile social experimentation.

Our dear British Friends deserve far better.

42 posted on 01/30/2006 1:11:35 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

I had a lot of respect for England a year ago. It's all gone now because of their gay marriage thing. Blair was so pleased that the injustice of gay married people not being allowed to adopt kids is now over. England makes me sick anymore.


43 posted on 01/30/2006 1:15:29 PM PST by countorlock (But thy strong Hours indignant work'd their wills, And beat me down and marr'd and wasted me,)
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To: countorlock

I believe some of your States allows full gay marriage not just civil unions are you sick of those too.

I do not agree with gay marriage or civil unions but your comment is ridulous.


44 posted on 01/30/2006 3:14:20 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: countorlock
I had a lot of respect for England a year ago. It's all gone now because of their gay marriage thing. Blair was so pleased that the injustice of gay married people not being allowed to adopt kids is now over. England makes me sick anymore.

I believe I can say that I understand how you feel and I do share your disgust with the recent social changes that have been made in Great Britain.   The U.K. has many troubles right now, with most of them being caused by Socialism and the evil forces of the Left. 

I would wish, however, to sincerely urge the reconsideration of any desire to wholly forsake Great Britain now, during her time of great need.   It is my heartfelt belief that this 'gay marriage' business and associated insanity is not a true reflection of the soul of the British people.  I believe that this is, in fact, an opportunistic violence that has been visited upon them as a result of Leftist deviousness and corruption as manifested through the voting and political processes.  I will be quick to admit that I am no expert on the subtleties of British politics; there are many Britons who have contributed to this thread and elsewhere on Free Republic who are far more qualified than I to speak at length or in detail on this.  Let me just say that I believe that the British people are better than this, and that the only reason why these awful things have been allowed to happen is because their Conservatives are in political disarray and so are unable to mount an effective rebuke to this.  I believe also that sometimes things have to get pretty bad for complacency to be replaced by action, and I have hope and faith that the true and honorable majority in Great Britain will soon rise up en masse to bring light back into this dark era that they have entered.

Over the past two hundred years, Great Britain has proven itself a great and true friend, through good times and bad, to the United States.  They have been an unshakable, stalwart ally in many world conflicts as well as the current war on terror.  Our culture and our very existence is under attack by Islamofascism, and we share this culture with our British friends.  We must continue to stand together and consider the long-term view.  "Gay marriage' and adoption laws can be revoked and changed in future administrations, but a nuke that's set off in London could do far more damage than anything Hitler was able to do.  I would wish to urge a long-term view, and instead of casting aside our great and true friends when they are at a point of internal social crisis to instead reach out and offer support and friendship, and perhaps an occasional bit of help for positive change.

45 posted on 01/30/2006 3:48:26 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
This thread deserves a White Ensign!

It absolutely does, and I welcome it's inclusion.

However, I must sheepishly confess ignorance as to it's proud history and significance.  In case there are any other Yanks who may be as equally ill-informed as myself, I found this short history which may be of some help.

Thanks very much for your post and for the opportunity to educate myself just a bit better  :-)

Royal Navy The White Ensign

 

The White Ensign

The White Ensign
 


In 1627 the English Fleet (as it was then) was divided into three squadrons, the Red, Blue and White, in that order or seniority, and each had an English ensign in the appropriate colour with St George's Cross in the top corner. By 1653 the order of seniority had been changed to Red, White and Blue and in 1702 a large red cross was placed on the White Ensign to differentiate it from the French ensign, which at the time was plain white. In 1707, following the political union of England and Scotland, the three ensigns came to bear the Union Flag in the top corner as they do this day. In 1801 the additional red diagonal of St Patrick's Cross was added to the Union Flag and the three ensigns then took their modern form.

OM(C)s raising the EnsignNelson was the Vice Admiral of the White Squadron, so Trafalgar was fought under the White Ensign in 1805 rather than the Red or Blue one. In 1864 the squadron system was abandoned and the entire Royal Navy adopted the White Ensign, meanwhile the Merchant Navy was allocated the Red Ensign, and the Blue Ensign was reserved for non-military government ships. During the years since then a large number of special ensigns have been created for many organisations (including yacht clubs and government departments) whose badges have been placed onto a blue or red ensign to create a new and distinctive flag.

The White Ensign remains the premier British maritime flag and is worn by all Her Majesty's ships. Several other nations have developed their own versions of the White Ensign including Australia, India, Jamaica and Nigeria.


46 posted on 01/30/2006 4:20:00 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: TruthFactor
God Bless the Brit's. Our nation's heritage comes from good stock.


47 posted on 01/30/2006 4:38:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: snugs
I believe some of your States allows full gay marriage not just civil unions are you sick of those too.

Yes, completely.

48 posted on 01/31/2006 4:35:34 AM PST by countorlock (But thy strong Hours indignant work'd their wills, And beat me down and marr'd and wasted me,)
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To: Stoat
Very nice post!

I love England and my last name show, clearly, that my ancestry is mostly English. Many of the things that make this nation great come straight from england. It was same sex marriage that pulled me onto the FR and that is a topic about which I get very emotional.

I've stated recently my disgust for corporate America, for whom I work, because of their acceptance of gay marriage benefits. So I guess you have to take my statement in context. I'm digusted with a lot of groups over this issue.

Again thanks for such a nice post about England. I love England, but just damn! It's like finding out your son or dad is gay.

49 posted on 01/31/2006 4:41:39 AM PST by countorlock (But thy strong Hours indignant work'd their wills, And beat me down and marr'd and wasted me,)
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To: Stoat

I respect and admire the British Navy, but I don't believe for a minute that this is the deadliest ship ever built. I'm sure the folks at Groton, Ct and Newport News, Va will agree with me.


50 posted on 01/31/2006 4:43:15 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: countorlock

Thank you very much for your kind words and for the enhanced explanation of your meaning :-) Best wishes to you and yours :-)


51 posted on 02/01/2006 2:26:50 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: moose2004

Aside from the very understandable elements of national pride on both sides of the pond, I think that we can all agree that the HMS Daring represents a fine addition to the arsenal for Good in the world. I'm guessing that terrorist nations like Syria, North Korea and iran are not at all pleased over the introduction of this fine vessel onto the playing field.

The HMS Daring will be a fine complement not only to the other vessels of the British fleet but to those of our United States as well. Together we will create an unstoppable force that will make a deadly foe to terror in all it's forms.


52 posted on 02/01/2006 2:32:12 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: All
Scotsman.com News - Latest News - Crowds expected at warship's launch

Crowds expected at warship's launch

Thousands of people are expected to gather on the banks of the River Clyde for the launch of one of the world's most advanced warships.

HMS Daring will be formally launched by the Countess of Wessex from the BAE Systems yard at Scotstoun in Glasgow in a ceremony which will also be attended by Defence Secretary John Reid.

 

The vessel is the first of the new Type 45 Class and will be the world's most advanced warship when she enters service in 2009, according to the firm.

The multi-role ship will contribute to worldwide operations for much of the first half of the century.

Over 11,000 tickets have been issued for the launch.

BAE Systems Naval Ships managing director Vic Emery said: "This is obviously a very important day for the communities in and around the shipyards at Govan and Scotstoun but we should not forget that this is also a hugely significant day for the Royal Navy.

"Daring will represent a huge leap forward in capability.

"The successes we have had in the construction of Daring and the improvements we are delivering on the subsequent ships demonstrate that the Clyde is still the natural home of warship building in the UK."

Following the launch, it will move a few hundred yards down river to a dry dock where the remainder of the work will be carried out.

Daring will be the seventh Royal Navy ship to bear that name.


53 posted on 02/01/2006 2:34:28 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: agere_contra; Stoat

I think that Britain & France are working on a multi-role variant of the Sylver VLS system, which would be similar in capability to the "Strategic" variant of the MK-41 & can deploy SAMs,land attack & ASW missiles.This would then be capable of launching the Tomahawk or the Scalp Navale cruise missiles.But that can honestly come at a later date.The problem is that Brits have done too much cost cutting with these ships.They have no anti-ship missiles nor torpedoes as of now & have to depend on heliborne torpedoes for ASW despite having excellent sonars.Moreover while the Aster series is highly capable,too few are carried when compared to American DDGs.


54 posted on 02/01/2006 2:40:32 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Stoat

Definitely blurring the line between the Destroyer and the Cruiser.


56 posted on 02/01/2006 2:49:54 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Banjoguy

Aster missiles and the 30 mm canon should be able to handle the Exocet.


57 posted on 02/01/2006 2:51:43 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Stoat
… and a Godiva chocolates vending machine on each level :-)

That would make for some contented sailors. Keep the ladies happy.
58 posted on 02/01/2006 2:53:45 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Riley

And only one gun!


59 posted on 02/01/2006 2:55:00 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Stoat
Now THAT is a ship!
60 posted on 02/01/2006 2:55:51 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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