US backs Kosovo incentives for Serbs

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/a1a04336-50ae-11da-bbd7-0000779e2340.html ^ | jan 29th 2006 | Guy Dinmore

[Lukasz]

It's been done, failed, and we're not wasting any more time with it.

Who are „we”? :-)

The Serbs chose to turn their backs upon negotiations and compromise back in the 1990's. Had they not thereafter engaged in three unsuccessful campaigns of ethnic cleansing to either secure or enlarge Greater Serbia, there might have been some room for further negotiations in regards to Kosovar autonomy.

It was long time ago, today’s Serbia is different country. Beside Albanians were also involved in ethnic cleansing, so we can say that they don’t deserve to be independent as well according to the same standards. Idea of Greater Albania was also popular among them.

As it stands, however, they didn't, so there isn't, any more than there is a chance of Belgrade regaining authority over the Krajina or Republika Srpska.

Of course, it must be clearly said that the Serbs must forget about Bosnia if they want to keep Kosovo. No double standards.

Further, the Serbian police and army to this day still have not been held accountable for their actions in Kosovo (or Croatia and Bosnia, for that matter) in any meaningful way by the civilian government supposedly in charge of Serbia, so they're not going back to Kosovo.

This might be another ultimatum if they want to keep Kosovo, I don’t see any problems.

[Hoplite]

We as used here is Uncle Sam, as embodied by the State Department.

"I" still have to overthrow the government and install "Us" as King before anybody will recognize "Our" using "We" in the third person, unfortunately.

Bloody peasants.

It was long time ago, today’s Serbia is different country.

Unfortunately it's not different enough. The biggest political party in Serbia is the Radicals, their leader still talks smack about "Greater Serbia", and the Serbs continue to choose sticks and protecting Ratko Mladic over accepting the international carrots for his extradition to the Hague - and that's what it comes down to: while the Croats, Bosnians, and K-Albanians have shown a willingness to work with us, the Serbs haven't.

This might be another ultimatum if they want to keep Kosovo, I don’t see any problems.

The point is that that deadline has already passed. We can't get the Serbian government to prosecute police who murdered American citizens much less investigate the murder of Kosovar Albanians.

Realistically, the only reason that Serbian sovereignity over Kosovo is still discussed is because Serbia's nationalist politicians realize that to accede to Kosovo's independence is a political death sentence.

[Lukasz]

The point is that that deadline has already passed. We can't get the Serbian government to prosecute police who murdered American citizens much less investigate the murder of Kosovar Albanians.

I doubt that it was stated clearly that if they fail to prosecute war criminals they will lose control over Kosovo.

[F-117A]

Autonomy is the only solution It's been done, failed,...

Hoplite is right on this one.

Autonomy was tried with the Albanians in charge of Kosovo. The New York Times was full of stories of Albanian repression of minorities in the eighties!

[Hoplite]

I doubt that it was stated clearly that if they fail to prosecute war criminals they will lose control over Kosovo.

Didn't say it about Bosnia, either.

Our bad.

[zagor-te-nej]

The Albanian Racism Towards its Neighbours is Based on Historical Falsifications

Vitomir Dolinski: An Interview with the Persecuted Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich

[DTA]

Zagor, Albanian racism fuelled with invented Illyrian heritage is no different from Hitler's invented Aryan madness as a justification for The Holocaust.

The acceptance of Albanian racist madness in diplomatic circles is mind boggling. No one in the right mind would jusfity Hitler's quest for living space (lebensraum). However, the very same people justify Albanian expansion as something normal, moral and desirable.

Condy is asleep at the wheel.

In 1912, Albania's population was merly 50% Albanian. Today, it is over 90% Albanian. Other ethic groups are destroyed in less than 100 years.

The same pattern is documented in Kosovo and Macedonia.

After WWII, Albanians were less than 50% of Kosovo population. Now, with NATO's help, they comprise almost 90%.

Hundred years long track record documents Albanian intollerance, racism and extermination of other ethnic groups they come in contact with. At the same time, they cry foul and pretend to be a victim of invented "Serbian racism" Albanians are the nation of Menendez brothers!

The support of U.S. to this shameful racist expansion is perhaps one of the darkest moments of American diplomacy. George Washington and Wilson are probably spinning in their graves.

[sergey1973]

"So when the Mexicans get a few more people in Arizona, they get to keep it? Great."

Exactly. If it's OK to pry Kosovo out of Serbia because Albanians are the majority there, than why not to pry Arizona (plus the entire US Southwest) when Mexicans become majority there ? And no wars are needed--democratic referendum under UN Supervision of course and that's it. I wonder what Bush Administration and State Department will say about that.

In Kosovo we see in practice what happens when Wilsonian Self-Determination concerning wishes of ethnic groups are made absolute and put above any other considerations.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

It seems as if Bush and Rice couldn't be happier about surrendering the southwest to their friends in LaRaza.

All globalists are insane.

The US murders Serbs protecting their territory and now the US complains that the Serbs won't work with us, while all the killers and invaders we protected will.

Globalists are insane.

[getoffmylawn]

Albanians are the nation of Menendez brothers!

Nicely put! However, I would be more specific and say "Kosovo Albanians". The Albanians from Albania that I know don't really fit the "Menendez" mold.

[Tailgunner Joe]

“They [Kosovo Albanians] want independence. They have to prove they are worthy of it,” Mr Burns told the Senate foreign relations committee.

That hardly sounds like an endorsement of independence. Maybe there is still a chance Bush will reverse the course set by Clinton.

[norton]

Kosavarians??(!)

What this is -
Is islamist/clintonian/screwed-up-and-won't-admit-it pragmatism at its worst.

It means we can still suck as bad as all those euroweenies we enjoy picking on (and I DO enjoy it)

So now I have TWO reasons to wish GWB sleepless nights.

(HINT: Illegal immigration...from mexico, through mexico, through canada, and - oh yeah - from the same third world holes bubba sponsored/sponsors.)

[Atlantic Bridge]

It means we can still suck as bad as all those euroweenies we enjoy picking on (and I DO enjoy it)

So what? Who cares about who you are picking on? Instead of falling into a kind of political auto-eroic (wishing GWB "sleepless nights" - BuHuHaHa!) you should think about solving the problems where they happen instead if importing it into your (or my) country. Playing the self-righteous clown is no solution.

[kronos77]

Basicaly, you say that Albanians will descide fate of Kosovo?
That works with me.
So, Serbia should athnicaly cleams Kosovo from Albanians, so that 100% Kosovars are remaineed Serbs, and than claim that it is semocratic result?

Sorry, but falsley attained right is no rights.
(Albanian ethnical cleamsing, and attempt to verify it as OK)

[kronos77]

What are you sugesting?

You are saying that Islamistic ethnical cleamsing made right on some peace of land (lets forget cradle of Christianity on balkans) to declare it indipendant?

OK, so is than OK that Serbs Ethnicaly cleams that same peace of land and other neighbouring lands, claiming them?

Or you just imply that we should give it up to Islamists on kosovo cause they won`t negotiate, or threaten with violence? So, Serbia should become non-negotiabile-agressive and than it will be OK.

You are saying that USA is afraid of big bad Albanians?
You are saying that being islamofascist-murdering-raping, churchburning bastard brings you a blessing from USA?

And than you wonder why Russia is arming Iran, same Islam bastards as Islamofascists on kosovo?

Dou you have any brains left, or Mr. Soros medical team removed it completly leavin jus a small FM radio reciver so that you continue to here voices inside your head telling you what is right and what is wrong?

[Atlantic Bridge]

You are saying that Islamistic ethnical cleamsing made right on some peace of land (lets forget cradle of Christianity on balkans) to declare it indipendant? OK, so is than OK that Serbs Ethnicaly cleams that same peace of land and other neighbouring lands, claiming them?

It is sad that you guys from down there are all gung ho to do ethnical cleansings. It is a cruel fact that if such such a ethnical cleansing happened somewhere those who live on the soil will own it after a decade. Just imagine us Germans to expell all Poles from our former property and the Poles expell the Ukrainians from their former property. This is just ridicolus.

Therefore there will be only one solution: Those who live in Kosovo in the moment will keep it. If there was any etnical cleansing in -let's say- the last five years it has to be canceled. BTW - This is in the well understood self interest of Serbia. No one is going to accept them in Europe as long as they will have this problem. Why is acceptance important?

No acceptance = no business = no wealth = no future

[kronos77]

Therefore there will be only one solution: Those who live in Kosovo in the moment will keep it. If there was any etnical cleansing in -let's say- the last five years it has to be canceled. BTW - This is in the well understood self interest of Serbia. No one is going to accept them in Europe as long as they will have this problem. Why is acceptance important?

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So,

1. you are supporting ethnical cleamsing
2. you are saying that if you kill, rape, and cleams territory, it is yours
3. you are therefore advocating that Serbs should ethnicaly cleams Kosovo from Muslims and, BY YOUR "LOGIC" than it is legaly their?
4. Serbs don`t care for European Union (Im saying that)
5. We are not member of EU and we are doing just fine without Europe.
6. Buissiness have no frontiers.
7. you say, If Serbs don`t give up Kosovo, than they wont get into EU and they will not make buissiness? That is like Russia`s stand
"Give Abkhasia, Ajaria and South Osetia indipendance, or NO GAS!"

Check bateries on your Soros brain-stimulator, they are outdated.

[kronos77]

Eaquasions:

Kosovo gets "Indipendence"=Democratic goverment in Serbia falls=Hardliner pro-Russian nationalists coming to power=Nationalism boils=Serbs in Bosnia starting succession from Bosnia= civil wsar in Montenegro starts=New balkan War.

Pandoras box.
Made by Soros Unlimited!

[Atlantic Bridge]

4. Serbs don`t care for European Union (Im saying that) 5. We are not member of EU and we are doing just fine without Europe. 6. Buissiness have no frontiers.

BuHuHaHa! Serbia is one of the weakest countries of the western hemisphere. You have an unemployment of 31% and 30% population below the poverty line.

Serbia: Exports - partners:

Italy 29%, Germany 16.6%, Austria 7%, Greece 6.7%, France 4.9%, Slovenia 4.1% (2004)

Serbia Imports - partners:

Germany 18.5%, Italy 16.5%, Austria 8.3%, Slovenia 6.7%, Bulgaria 4.7%, France 4.5% (2004)

Source: CIA-factbook

Okay - It will take Bulgaria until 2007 to be a member in the EU. But the rest???! With whom do you want to trade if not with the EU? North Korea? This is really a impressive depency.

If the Serbians are holding on to their sweet idea of "greater Serbia" they will end as a country just as strong as Burkina Faso with a really wealthy neighbourhood. Serbia is already a economic dwarf compared to Slovenia and Croatia. After all you are at eye level with Albania.

[Atlantic Bridge]

Kosovo gets "Indipendence"=Democratic goverment in Serbia falls=Hardliner pro-Russian nationalists coming to power=Nationalism boils=Serbs in Bosnia starting succession from Bosnia= civil wsar in Montenegro starts=New balkan War.

I will not deny that your scenario is that unlikely. The question will be how long the western powers are willing to continue to maintain their presence in the region. Therefore it would be helpful to find a solution. Personally I do not care that much as long as the rights of the people we are protecting in the moment are not endangered and as the EU and my country in particulary are not bothered with sending more troops.

Hehe! You guys must really have a problem with George Soros. His policy is not exactly mine but I have respect for someone who unifies that much hate on himself.