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It seems like there would be some accurate counts being kept. Some sort of census or something. We talk about such statistics concerning other wars. Trying to weed through the left wing idealogues on the web makes it tricky though.


8 posted on 01/29/2006 6:00:11 PM PST by dotnetfellow
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One nice thing about that site is that they explain their methodology, which relies heavily on CENTCOM, UK military, the Army Times, etc. So if you see something that's questionable, you can check it out yourself. In my experience, they're pretty accurate (though I sure as heck do not spend a lot of time there).

Regarding your other question about enemy casualties, I'm unaware of any site that claims to keep a running tab. Be nice to find one though.

10 posted on 01/29/2006 6:08:03 PM PST by LibWhacker
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just go to the link above...it is accurate. You can also go to my local newspaper, the Milwuakee Journal Sentinel, who also seems to cheerlead the numbers as they rise. I think it is morbid and somewhat despicable.


12 posted on 01/29/2006 6:13:37 PM PST by irish guard
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(Some weird facts) WWII and Poland

With little ramp up time (Little time to get ready).

With little surprise in when nor from where we were coming.

On the other side of the planet from the US (Our industrial, financial, Command and Control base)

In extreme climatic and environmental conditions (heat, dust…..).

While engaged in Sinai, Balkans, S. Korea, Philippines, Sudan, Columbia, Rep of Georgia, Liberia, Haiti we simultaneously waged this war.

Iraq- 1/3 LARGER than Poland

Iraq- 300,000 men in arms at wars begin 2003.

The US had 330,000 Service men in theater. We attacked with only a slight numerical advantage.

Germany in WWII attacks Poland and takes 4.5 weeks. They suffer between 8,000 to 10,000 Killed In Action during the ground combat phase. The Germans had a massive guerilla war in Poland, particularly Warsaw they had to deal with even after they defeated the Poles.

We suffer Under 300 KIA during the major ground combat phase. The United States attacks and within 21 DAYS militarily defeats an enemy.

(You be the judge)
In most history books the German campaign against Poland is considered an “overwhelming” success. It’s presented as a marvel and normally used as a lead into discussing “Blitzkrieg” and so fourth.




Chechnya/Grozny-
(Some weird facts)
Population ~ 210,000
Baghdad ~ 5,600,000

Russian KIA ~ 5,000
US KIA for ALL of Iraq in the ground combat phase? Under 300.

Grozny leveled, population displaced largely, city infrastructure still largely destroyed – http://www.hro.org/editions/karta/nr22-23/foto/grozny.jpg
http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/grozny7.jpg

Baghdad, targeted attacks, minimal collateral damage and a thriving Arab metropolitan area once again. Power already largely restored, no curfews, free movement of people goods and services.

Chechnya boarders Russia and is about 15,000 sq KM or 1/29th the size of Iraq.

The Chechens were not as well equipped, were only a fraction the size of force, in fact Grozny in the beginning was defended by about 500 guerilla fighters. Urban fights are never nice or expected to be easy.

(You be the judge)
Look at Berlin, Cologne, Rome, Grozny, even in Hue or MOST other urban battles. Compare that with how we handled Baghdad, invented a whole new way of fighting an urban fight with a “Thunder run”, used tanks in a combined arms fashion, actually incorporated CAS (Close Air Support) in the city and developed the concept and TTPs for Urban CAS…………..



Let me make this very clear to you! NEVER in the history of mankind has ANYONE pulled off what we did in Iraq. NO ONE! The shear logistics of this operation is record breaking and worthy of recognition! Think of the command and control involved and how this was orchestrated via satellite. We FLEW a tank battalion into Northern Iraq! What we did in this war is without historical precedent.

Yet none of this is presented in the MSM. The facts speak for themselves when you actually present them.

Red6





19 posted on 01/29/2006 7:07:00 PM PST by Red6
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