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King Kong and Higher Education
H-AMSTUDY ^ | January 19, 2006 | Kelvin Monroe

Posted on 01/29/2006 2:30:08 PM PST by mcvey

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I can only imagine, but I am not in the least surprised.

The indoctrination of kids with political correctness, diversity training and multiculturalism takes place and continues onward from the same age many of my generation learned about the Golden Rule. And from what I can tell, it is intense, institutionalized and mandatory.

That any of these kids come through with the ability to think for themselves is a testament to the many good parents out there, but even the best kids can get sucked into this stuff.

I went to college when I got out of the Navy at the age of 21, and was pretty well-traveled and independent-thinking (or so I thought)

I remember taking Sociology, and reading "Walden II" for the course. That book describes a socialist utopia, as does sociology as a "science" for getting there. I was SOOOOO impressed. I thought it was a shame our entire country, nay, the world was not modeled after Walden II.

It is an embarrassing memory for me. I look back now, and see how attractive that concept is to someone who just doesn't understand exactly what it is, and why it has proved to be a terminally flawed concept again, and again, and again (as described in "The Road to Serfdom" by FA Hayek)

Someone always thinks that it fails because "it wasn't done correctly" or that "the next time we won't make the same mistakes" instead of realizing that it is a flawed concept from the start, like a perpetual motion machine. No matter how much you tinker with it, it is doomed to failure.
21 posted on 01/29/2006 3:10:18 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: mcvey

This hasn't been deleted yet?


22 posted on 01/29/2006 3:11:26 PM PST by Search4Truth (The spirit of freedom is more powerful than the rule of tyrants.)
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To: mcvey
"...Avoid the social sciences, too, which are rank with dishonest and cooked data--most of which is used for ideological purposes..."

Yes...exactly so. I made a post to that effect before I saw this comment by you...

23 posted on 01/29/2006 3:12:14 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Brett66

OH YEAH, that was one thing I was going to put in my first post: it's "Lector", not "Lestor" and he's a fictional character unlike Dahmer.


24 posted on 01/29/2006 3:14:16 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: rlmorel

Your experience is not unique, trust me. What I often see in my classes is kind of an underlying unthinking stereotyping of conservative views. This comes from the ideas promoted by (often equally gullible) secondary teachers who teach the party line because that is what they know. Some of it is pretty raw and a lot of it is as filled with hate towards America as the gentlemen who wrote the thing on King Kong.

In my experience, the majority of parents do not really have much influence on what their kids think. This allows the liberal clique to do things.

Most kids I have taught over the last three decades have great instincts but have never been encouraged to focus on what they believe and why they believe it.

One last story which I hope this list picks up on. Once upon a time I was mistakenly invited to a Marxist conference in Montana (paid for by Montana taxpayers, by the way.) But I went, because, well, it promised to be too much fun to miss. On the second day of the conference, they bussed in a number of high school teachers from central Montana. The speaker that day, one of the best known liberal arts professors in the country, opened his talk with the words: "isn't it great we don't have to talk about Robert E. Lee anymore?"

So that is where we are.

McVey


25 posted on 01/29/2006 3:21:20 PM PST by mcvey
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To: Search4Truth

Who would delete it?


26 posted on 01/29/2006 3:22:47 PM PST by mcvey
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To: Brett66
He gets his historical (hysterical) info from movies."

This is something that completely throws me off of the cliff when I see people do it.

Reasonable people can watch a movie for entertainment value, and walk out of the theater with a foundation which enables discussion of related issues, which is often a good thing.

Weak minded people see a film like Oliver Stone's "JFK" or Coppola's "Apocalypse Now", and to them, it is REALITY. Good God. I heard a liberal make an entire analysis of a news item, for about 15 minutes, with a series of non-stop movie analogies. Talk about either a deficit of ideas, experience or expression.

On the humerous side, I remember going to see "Apollo 13", and as we left the theater, a woman in front of me said to her male companion: "I sure am glad the movie ended the way it did! It would have been a sad ending if the astronauts had died!"

I nearly spit the remainder of my bladder-buster drink on her back!

27 posted on 01/29/2006 3:23:18 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: cake_crumb

Ahhh, yes, we train people to play the "race card" when it suits and then to scream racism on ANY issue which they dislike.

McVey


28 posted on 01/29/2006 3:24:25 PM PST by mcvey
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To: mcvey
"...isn't it great we don't have to talk about Robert E. Lee anymore?

Arggghhh. What an IGNORANT statement! How could anyone who understands and knows history say that? I am no Southern apologist, far from it, I admire Lincoln for taking the republic to war to preserve it. But Robert E. Lee was an exceedingly gifted AMERICAN, who wrestled with ethical and moral issues, eventually doing what he thought was right, even though it went against everything he thought he stood for, loyalty, fidelity and so on. Arghh. Look what you have made me do now. I am completely off subject. This is an abomination.

29 posted on 01/29/2006 3:29:02 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: mcvey

The admins - for being a hysterical paranoid rant not worthy of discussion.


30 posted on 01/29/2006 3:34:38 PM PST by Search4Truth (The spirit of freedom is more powerful than the rule of tyrants.)
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To: Search4Truth

I see your point there, but there is a difference.

Were that this was anything more than a hysterical paranoid rant. This is the thought process of a major portion of the Left today.


31 posted on 01/29/2006 3:36:46 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: mcvey

The paranoid delusions, the unceasing ranting about one race with power while others suffer, the casual mix of facts, fantasy, fiction, and race-hatred... this guy is as sane and clearminded as the Nazi elite in prewar Germany. Just insert "jew" instead of "white." An alternative is a dedicated communist following Trotsky - just insert "capitalist" instead of "white."

This guy is so oppressed he probably only has one teaching assistant, a car that is 10 years old, an apartment with only two bathrooms, health insurance without covering vision, free Internet access, and a paltry three months of vacation. No wonder he's fuming about the injustice of it all.


32 posted on 01/29/2006 3:38:35 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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...This guy is so oppressed he probably only has one teaching assistant, a car that is 10 years old, an apartment with only two bathrooms, health insurance without covering vision, free Internet access, and a paltry three months of vacation. No wonder he's fuming about the injustice of it all...


33 posted on 01/29/2006 3:42:04 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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"isn't it great we don't have to talk about Robert E. Lee anymore?"

That is just sickeningly sad.

34 posted on 01/29/2006 3:44:17 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: mcvey



Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Cheers,

knewshound
35 posted on 01/29/2006 3:45:29 PM PST by knews_hound (Now with two handed typing !)
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To: rlmorel

Proof that liberalism is a mental illness. The question now is, can it be treated?


36 posted on 01/29/2006 3:46:19 PM PST by Search4Truth (The spirit of freedom is more powerful than the rule of tyrants.)
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K. J. Monroe Comparative Ethnic Studies/Rhetoric/Jazz Studies Washington State University

Jack@ss of all trades and master of none.

37 posted on 01/29/2006 3:48:02 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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"Reasonable people can watch a movie for entertainment value, and walk out of the theater with a foundation which enables discussion of related issues, which is often a good thing."

You're so right. The other night, some woman went on this long, conspiracy-filled rant about President Bush. It took a few minutes for me to realize she was talking about Fereihneit 911. She called it a "documentary:.

I told her she might as well have ME arrested too: my family has ties to the Saudi Royal Family, my dad lived in Saudi for many years, he's a native Texan - in fact, most of my family lives in Texas - I worked on three Bush campaigns AND, as a specialist in Mideast events, including terrorism, for 25 years, I was one of the people who both knew AND tried to warn the government we were ripe for attack. I even had one of the targets right; just got the year wrong.

By her logic, I'm more guilty of 9/11 than President Bush was, even the 911 Commission proved Moore was a liar and nobody with an IQ high enough to use their computer for something besides gambling on AOL should realize F911 was complete BS. But she was welcome to try and have me arrested.

38 posted on 01/29/2006 3:53:53 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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"Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar."

Tell that to Hillary...

39 posted on 01/29/2006 3:54:14 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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someone who would see racism in a young white girl with pigtails buying a Snickers bar in a 7-11...

Why that is so obvious! Snickers? Sounds like "Snicka's". That is painfully close to rhyming with the n-word! And 7-11? It speaks of the iconic low-rent hangout. Late nights, high prices, crime, surveillance cams! It's 'The Man' exploiting the working class!

(Hey, I think I'm getting the hang of this movie review B.S. speak! Give me a degree in movieology already!)   ;-)

40 posted on 01/29/2006 3:55:53 PM PST by 6SJ7
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